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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    And your position on this topic is based on what?
    apparently people who have worked in actual MLB front offices, rather than just random guesses with no evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    apparently people who have worked in actual MLB front offices, rather than just random guesses with no evidence.
    Please, provide evidence to support your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Please, provide evidence to support your position.
    i mean chef already cited two people who worked in front offices explicitly saying GMs make the final call.
    what evidence do you have to support your hunch that GMs aren't involved in amateur decision? lmao it doesn't even make sense.
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    Teams aren't spending millions on top draft choices without AA/Coppy/Wren being directly involved. It is pure stupidity to suggest otherwise, even if you haven't read quotes from guys who know.

    I'm waiting to see how far down this ignorant rabbit hole tehteh is willing to go before I dig up quotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I'm waiting to see how far down this ignorant rabbit hole tehteh is willing to go before I dig up quotes.
    ah. you think direct quotes will change his position. how cute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Teams aren't spending millions on top draft choices without AA/Coppy/Wren being directly involved. It is pure stupidity to suggest otherwise, even if you haven't read quotes from guys who know.

    I'm waiting to see how far down this ignorant rabbit hole tehteh is willing to go before I dig up quotes.
    Yeah, the vp/president of baseball ops is the fibal approval with clearance from ownership. Unless you think someonr like Friedman does nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    ah. you think direct quotes will change his position. how cute.
    Still waiting for these quotes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    ah. you think direct quotes will change his position. how cute.
    I know by now his response will be something along the lines of, "I don't care that Im wrong, it's just a baseball board I don't take very seriously", despite making 15 posts on the topic.

    That's why I don't even bother anymore.

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    Still sticking to that eye test.

    You can tell the people that haven't worked or had visibility into the executive structure of large organizations. To think the GM has any time to have involvement with the scouting of 14-21 year old kids is beyond lunacy and for that person to be involved in the decision making process is such a large inefficiency that a baseball organization would laugh at the suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Still sticking to that eye test.

    You can tell the people that haven't worked or had visibility into the executive structure of large organizations. To think the GM has any time to have involvement with the scouting of 14-21 year old kids is beyond lunacy and for that person to be involved in the decision making process is such a large inefficiency that a baseball organization would laugh at the suggestion.
    Its not either or.

    A GM may not have much input into a 20th round pick or an international signing with a small bonus. But I would guess he is involved in all decisions of international signings with bonuses above a certain level. And certainly all the Day 1 draft picks. As well as some involvement in overall draft strategy, such as signing the first pick at a below slot price to facilitate the kind of strategy we executed on Day 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Its not either or.

    A GM may not have much input into a 20th round pick or an international signing with a small bonus. But I would guess he is involved in all decisions of international signings with bonuses above a certain level. And certainly all the Day 1 draft picks. As well as some involvement in overall draft strategy, such as signing the first pick at a below slot price to facilitate the kind of strategy we executed on Day 3.
    I don't have the direct visibility into a major league organization but with the demand that is on the major league side of the teams now I would be very surprised if the GM is involved at all. I mean really, what can they provide? They can read the scouting reports and say 'yay' or 'nay'? What added value is that? It just doesn't make any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Please, provide evidence to support your position.
    From Kiley McDaniels’ most recent chat:

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    Dominik : Why are GMs scouting draft top prospects? Just showing interest? They can’t possibly see more than the scouting director, right? Especially if they are ivy league non baseball lifers
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't have the direct visibility into a major league organization but with the demand that is on the major league side of the teams now I would be very surprised if the GM is involved at all. I mean really, what can they provide? They can read the scouting reports and say 'yay' or 'nay'? What added value is that? It just doesn't make any sense.
    Pretty much every GM will go to some games with scouts so that they can see first hand who is under consideration for the Day 1 picks. Its in the news every year. The GM of such and such a team was seen at a college game or HS game.

    This year there was discussion of a division in the Marlins FO between Jeter and the GM over who to take with their first round pick. These decisions get made at a very high level, of course with input from the scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    From Kiley McDaniels’ most recent chat:
    lulz
    "but what does this say other than the opposite of the point i was trying to make?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Pretty much every GM will go to some games with scouts so that they can see first hand who is under consideration for the Day 1 picks.
    impossible. i know for a fact they don't have the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    From Kiley McDaniels’ most recent chat:
    Doesn't make sense but Kiley would obviously have much more knowledge about that topic to me. Sounds like a huge inefficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Doesn't make sense but Kiley would obviously have much more knowledge about that topic to me. Sounds like a huge inefficiency.
    not a huge inefficiency...a very efficient allocation of their time if you ask me...there are few things more important to a team's success
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    not a huge inefficiency...a very efficient allocation of their time if you ask me...there are few things more important to a team's success
    And thats why tremendous teams are built out to focus on those areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    And your position on this topic is based on what?
    Well the counter to your argument is generally considered to be the accepted process. If anyone is need of evidence to support their logic, it is you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Well the counter to your argument is generally considered to be the accepted process. If anyone is need of evidence to support their logic, it is you.
    That was before the modern baseball management structure. In the last 10-15 years the advent of the President of Baseball Operations role has changed how organizations are ran. These young men from Ivy league schools graduate from superior management programs and know that a division of labor and building centers of excellent in business segments is essential to optimal performance. Amateur scouting is a material segment for a baseball organization and warrants having direct leadership answerable to the president of baseball operations.
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