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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Equal value is Betts + Moncada. The rest that Boston gives to LAA is the Mike Trout premium. I don't think that premium is worth 10 WAR (Beni + X), but to each his own.
    Benintendi + what is 10 WAR? I'm not the one who said Boegarts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Look at the stats... for the year Betts isn't that far off from Trout... you add the number one prospect in baseball... it is certainly equal value if not even a bit more.
    And I'm saying you have to pay more than equal value to get Trout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Im taking the cost savings into account. If you can trade Trout for 5-6 wins in cheap cost controlled players, you're also saving 15 million (trouts contract) that you can use to lock up another young star.
    And you're run out of town immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Benintendi + what is 10 WAR? I'm not the one who said Boegarts.
    You responded to my post where I implied X by saying "5 WAR SS".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    You responded to my post where I implied X by saying "5 WAR SS".
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I'd probably add Bogaerts to that trio at the absolute minimum.
    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    IMO, I don't think the price is that high. I do think they want close to the majors young position players, but I don't think it would take an 8 WAR CF + 5 WAR SS + 5 WAR LF + the best prospect in baseball. Unless LAA was willing to send Simmons which they probably would, then that makes much more sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    You're not trading Trout for equal value.
    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Equal value is Betts + Moncada. The rest that Boston gives to LAA is the Mike Trout premium. I don't think that premium is worth 10 WAR (Beni + X), but to each his own.
    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Benintendi + what is 10 WAR? I'm not the one who said Boegarts.
    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    You responded to my post where I implied X by saying "5 WAR SS".
    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Nope.
    I mean... as shown above... that was certainly what was being discussed and you interjected. Are you challenging my point (the second quote above) or what? I can't tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    I mean... as shown above... that was certainly what was being discussed and you interjected. Are you challenging my point (the second quote above) or what? I can't tell
    Huh? I'm saying that I never said it would take Betts, Moncada, and then 10 more WAR. I said Benintendi, who I don't think is close to 10 WAR. So you'd have to add another big piece to get there. I'm not the one who said Betts, Moncada, Benintendi AND Boegarts.

    When I said 'you're not trading Trout for equal value,' I just meant that it will take more than equal value to get him. That doesn't mean I think it would take 10 WAR more than equal value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    And you're run out of town immediately.
    And you're wrong for not taking Trouts massive contract into aCount. No team will overpay in prospects to add a 20 million dollar salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    And you're wrong for not taking Trouts massive contract into aCount. No team will overpay in prospects to add a 20 million dollar salary.
    It's Mike Trout. His salary is a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    And you're wrong for not taking Trouts massive contract into aCount. No team will overpay in prospects to add a 20 million dollar salary.
    I did the longhand explanation of the surplus value the Angels have gotten from Trout's deal thus far, but the site's acting up and it disappeared. To explain the short version, the Angels will break even on that 6 year/$144.5 million contract IF Trout amasses roughly the same amount of WAR Freeman delivered in 2014 between now and the end of this season and he RETIRES IN OCTOBER.

    Don't know what anyone can add to that other than WOW!
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Betts, Benedinti and Moncada and maybe one other prospect would get Trout.

    Betts isnt better than Trout but its not an insane step down.

    Plus Bene and Moncada is great value.

    Not sure it would happen though.

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    Yeah, Trout's salary is a non-factor. Sure, it would be better if he were only making $5 million/year, but he could be making $40 million and every team in the league would still take him in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Yeah, Trout's salary is a non-factor. Sure, it would be better if he were only making $5 million/year, but he could be making $40 million and every team in the league would still take him in a heartbeat.
    Not if they wanted to be competitive. Lower payroll teams can't have a guy making $40 million and expect to contend. No matter how good the player is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenny79 View Post
    mike trout trade proposal: blockbuster

    angels get: Nick Markakis, Matt Kemp, Mallex Smith, Jace Peterson, Adonis Garcia, Matt Wisler, Rob Whalen Tyrell Jenkins, Akeel Morris, Chris Withrow, Lucas Sims, Johan Camargo, Connor Lien, Michael Mader, Caleb Dirks, Philip Pfeifer, Ian Krol, Zach Bird and Braxton Davidson

    braves get mike trout
    This proposal would be enough to get Coppy committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Betts, Benedinti and Moncada and maybe one other prospect would get Trout.
    Nope.

    Those 3, taking Pujols's salary, Jackie Bradley, Devers, Espinosa, Travis, and Kopech, maybe.

    Realize the closest to Trout being traded we've seen is Miggy, MIggy netted 2 top 10 prospects. ALso came with taking off the absolutely worthless Willis contract. Several other quality players. ANd Miggy only had 2 years IIRC of team control. Trout has at least 4 years of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Nope.

    Those 3, taking Pujols's salary, Jackie Bradley, Devers, Espinosa, Travis, and Kopech, maybe.

    Realize the closest to Trout being traded we've seen is Miggy, MIggy netted 2 top 10 prospects. ALso came with taking off the absolutely worthless Willis contract. Several other quality players. ANd Miggy only had 2 years IIRC of team control. Trout has at least 4 years of control.

    How is the A-Rod trade not similar? Sure, at 28 years old when he was traded he wasn't quite as young as Trout is now, but he was clearly the best player in the game with a lot of control left.

    Betts and JBJ is a massive overpay for Trout even if Trout were making league minimum still. Betts is the 2nd best CFer in the game behind Trout and isn't that far off him. Not the Sox would ever offer this, but the Angels would do extremely well to get Betts, Bentendi, and Moncada for Trout considering the control, money savings, and total value of that package. That's one current 6+ WAR player and two more potential 5+ WAR players for one 9 WAR player with 4 years of control left at a premium contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Betts and JBJ is a massive overpay for Trout even if Trout were making league minimum still.
    Good gosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Good gosh.
    Not sure about the league min part but JBJ and Betts combined have been more valuable than Trout this year. Of course there is the 'will they continue to play this well' scenario as you know what your getting with Trout.

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    people saying prospects are better than the best player in the game even if he was making league minimum :lol
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    Trout may or may not be available. That question isn't interesting to me. The interesting question is what qualifies as a win/win trade from a baseball ops perspective.

    Betts and Bradley wouldn't be enough for me. If I ran the Angels, I would offer Trout, Pujols, and Simmons for Betts, X and Devers. It would clear a ton of money off their books, replace Trout with arguably the second best young player in baseball, upgrade at short stop, and they get a top 15 prospect.

    Boston probably loses this trade from a value stand point, but I think they make the trade still since its Trout. The tough pill to swallow would be the money.
    Last edited by chop2chip; 08-20-2016 at 02:42 PM.

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