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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Prequels never measure up. It’s never good when you know how the story will end before it even starts. That’s why I’m worried about just how good the Game of Thrones prequel series will be next year.
    Eh, that's not true. The Good the Bad and Ugly is technically a prequel, Casino Royale is a prequel (though the Bond timeline is insane), knowing there's not for lack of a better term, life and death stakes doesn't matter. To me the prequels failing had little to do with them being prequels, and more to do with George Lucas not being a good writer or director.
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Prequels that have to to link up with a pre-existing story never measure up. For example, Episodes 1-3 and Solo. However, you could go back 3,000+ years in Star Wars when focusing on the Old Republic. All that you'd have to do to link up to the other stories is leave the Republic intact and the Jedi in existence. And you know that would happen anyway even without the stories set in the future. So I do think an Old Republic franchise could be incredible while avoiding the problems most prequels have.
    Yeah, I just like the idea of going way back that it would be impossible to have strong connections to the past. But I'd be OK with another Star Wars movie taking place 100 years in the Future too. So Rey and Finn and Poe are all dead. Grogu is a young adult, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Filoni supposedly promoted to Executive Creative Director of Lucasfilm. Not sure if that's new or not but his profile on Lucasfilm's site changed.
    That's really important. Filoni needs to have the keys to the Star Wars kingdom. Let the head of the studio be a business person, someone who focuses on revenue and making sure the operations run smoothly but keeps out of creative decisions. Filoni has had a major hand in almost all of the best Star Wars content since the original trilogy. Let him control the universe and and the results will be excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Yeah, I just like the idea of going way back that it would be impossible to have strong connections to the past. But I'd be OK with another Star Wars movie taking place 100 years in the Future too. So Rey and Finn and Poe are all dead. Grogu is a young adult, etc.
    I wouldn't mind seeing a time jump into the distant future either. With how rough the sequel trilogy was, there needs to be some distance from the Skywalker saga and all the players in it.

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    https://screencrush.com/last-jedi-ri...t-case-ruling/

    Not really news just a funny thing that happened. The sequels are now mediocre as a matter of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    https://screencrush.com/last-jedi-ri...t-case-ruling/

    Not really news just a funny thing that happened. The sequels are now mediocre as a matter of law.
    What I found funny about that screencrush article, was it was followed by a ranking of Star Wars films and TLJ was 3rd on that list.

    But I'm sure on appeal the judges ruling would be thrown out mediocre (meaning average quality) and schlocky (meaning low quality) are contradicting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    What I found funny about that screencrush article, was it was followed by a ranking of Star Wars films and TLJ was 3rd on that list.

    But I'm sure on appeal the judges ruling would be thrown out mediocre (meaning average quality) and schlocky (meaning low quality) are contradicting.
    Something can be both low quality and a mediocre. I've eaten at many a BBQ restaurant where the food is low quality and it is mediocre. I've also eaten at many where the food is low quality yet delicious.

    In the context of films, there are some very low quality movies out there that are still pretty good. Halloween is a good example. That first movie was pretty terrible quality but was a good flick.

    But I disagree with the judge. While the sequels were mediocre, they weren't schlocky. They were made with quality, the problem is they just weren't good.

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    We are getting closer and closer to the ST being erased and forgotten. Star Wars will live and the Skywalkers saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBrave View Post
    We are getting closer and closer to the ST being erased and forgotten. Star Wars will live and the Skywalkers saved.
    It will never happen. They may pretend like they didn't exist and play around with things. But it will never happen. ST paid for Lucasfilm.It did exactly what Disney wanted. Why retcon it? Even with the worst Star Wars movie ever, they have no reason to retcon and instead are more likely to support it given the current comic and TV show trend. Like if your plan is to ditch it, why was a huge part of the Mandalorian involving a cloner wanting Grogu? Why was even more time given to that in season 2? Why was the force heal power first given to Grogu? Why did Omega seemingly find early hints at creating a Snoke type exaggeration?

    If anything they're doubling down and taking the Clone Wars approach. Of inserting enough material through other means hoping people will like it more.
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    Another way to look at it is already happening. Lady Tano didn't survive her battle with Vader. She was saved by Ezra that move will be the jumping-off point that will fix Luke. Anakin will bring the two together and that will prevent Luke from becoming Jake we saw in TLJ. The characters of Bridger, Tano, Onega, and Grogu are Feloni's focal points. He and Favreau have set about erasing Johnson's horrid mess. You will never see Rey, Finn, Poe, or Ben Solo again.

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    Well she did survive the battle. We didn't see her die. The implication of the world between worlds is the events that happen in there is what happened. Ahsoka talked about it when Ezra was talking about saving Kanan. How saving him would lead to their deaths as his sacrifice saved his friends. Granted it's Star Wars, they can make whatever they want happen. But based on the facts we know, what you're describing isn't likely to happen. If the plan was to do that. They wouldn't be hashing out the stupid plot introductions in Rise of Skywalker.

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    Well I finally watched Bad Batch. I tell you, that Clone Wars saga is such good content. Filoni understands Star Wars in a way that was absent in the sequel trilogy. If he had been the master of Star Wars canon from the time Disney bought Lucas Film we would have had a sequel trilogy that made sense and Solo might have been more than mediocre.

    I think Omega's mutation was to make her Force sensitive. She seems to intuit a lot of things (Cid's identity, what moves to make in Dejarik, etc) and also connects with a lot of people in a way that seems more than ordinary. She even connected with Crosshair.

    The ability of Nala Se to engineer a Force sensitive clone would be hugely important to the Empire's efforts to clone force sensitive bodies for Palpatine so that fits with Nala Se being taken to Mount Tantiss. So that seems to fit into the bigger storyline being built by Filoni and Favreau.

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    I've struggled with Omega's mutation.

    Force sensitive is the second easiest answer. Easiest being that she's a girl cloned from a guy. My hairball theory is that her mutation is the ability to replicate anyone else's ability. Your explanation fits the canon easier, mine I think fits the sheltering more. If the Empire knew of this capability to clone the truly greatest fighter out there it would lead to an undefeatable empire.

    I look forward to in 5-10 years striker when you realize how brilliant TLJ is considering all the cards that were dealt to it by JJ and Kasden. It wasn't what you expected and I get that, because it wasn't set up for what you expected and we got what was far and away a fantastic Star Wars movie even if Johnson being kind of boxed into a corner by the choices JI and Kasden made.

    Biggest mistake of course not having the stones to kill off Luke in act 1 of the first film so he could have died on top and been a recurring force ghost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I've struggled with Omega's mutation.

    Force sensitive is the second easiest answer. Easiest being that she's a girl cloned from a guy. My hairball theory is that her mutation is the ability to replicate anyone else's ability. Your explanation fits the canon easier, mine I think fits the sheltering more. If the Empire knew of this capability to clone the truly greatest fighter out there it would lead to an undefeatable empire.

    I look forward to in 5-10 years striker when you realize how brilliant TLJ is considering all the cards that were dealt to it by JJ and Kasden. It wasn't what you expected and I get that, because it wasn't set up for what you expected and we got what was far and away a fantastic Star Wars movie even if Johnson being kind of boxed into a corner by the choices JI and Kasden made.

    Biggest mistake of course not having the stones to kill off Luke in act 1 of the first film so he could have died on top and been a recurring force ghost.
    I'm never going to come around on TLJ. I hated the treatment of Luke so bad that it will forever ruin the movie for me. But TLJ didn't ruin the sequel trilogy for me. The clear lack of leadership ruined it. There was clearly no guiding hand. The movies were all over the map and ended up not even making sense. If you're going to have a trilogy with different directors you need to have someone above them keeping an eye on the continuity. That didn't happen and the result was an absolute mess.

    But that has been thoroughly litigated. Back to the Bad Batch. Your theory fits a few things. If she can replicate someone else's ability but do it better it would explain her outshooting Crosshair in the first episode, outplaying Cid at Dejarik. The problem with that theory is that she doesn't replicate the abilities of others all the time. She's never shown exceptional strength like Wrecker or senses like Hunter even with opportunities to.

    The Force guiding her can explain her shooting and her ability to play a strategy game well. I think there's something interesting about exploring a Force sensitive Clone Wars clone. It really would give an interesting dynamic with Order 66 still in the brains of a lot of clones. It's also is a good way to bring other characters into the story such as Ahsoka.

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    Dont' get me wrong, I buy the force thing, it was my first thought. But then I wondered if she was just tactically superior to all other clones. Liek the ultimate super soldier. She doesn't have Wrecker's strength yet because she's not fully grown. She hasn't had to really use Hunter's ability because she ultimately admires clone force 99 and doesn't want to sleight them.

    I'm just looking for something cool and new. Though I'm sure the force sensitive thing will be true, where like Omega is some kind of hybrid cloning of Shaak-Ti and Jango Fett DNA.
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    First episode of the BOok of Boba Fett gets an ehhhhh for me. It's not bad, the pacing is a little off, the parkour scene was bad. The jump cut editting made the pace and scale of it horrible. Speaking of scale, the scale of the beast at the end was a little odd. It was fine and I'm not going to judge the season on the first episode but hopefully things pick up from here. I'm not loving the flashbacks. But I'm excited for the Mayor. I hope it's Cobb Vanth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    First episode of the BOok of Boba Fett gets an ehhhhh for me. It's not bad, the pacing is a little off, the parkour scene was bad. The jump cut editting made the pace and scale of it horrible. Speaking of scale, the scale of the beast at the end was a little odd. It was fine and I'm not going to judge the season on the first episode but hopefully things pick up from here. I'm not loving the flashbacks. But I'm excited for the Mayor. I hope it's Cobb Vanth.
    I caught up tonight. It's not The Mandalorian but it's still better than anything since the original trilogy.

    Favreau and Filoni get Star Wars in a way no one else trying their hand at it has. The feel of Book of Boba Fett is unique but still feels like Star Wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    I caught up tonight. It's not The Mandalorian but it's still better than anything since the original trilogy.
    This is patently false. I won't durge into a whole argument about TLJ. But unless it massively improves it's way behind The CLone Wars and Rebels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    This is patently false. I won't durge into a whole argument about TLJ. But unless it massively improves it's way behind The CLone Wars and Rebels.
    Perhaps I should say better than any live action since the original trilogy outside of the Mandalorian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Perhaps I should say better than any live action since the original trilogy outside of the Mandalorian.
    That can be you opinion. Personally so far I prefer Ep 3 and 8 as well as Rogue one over it. It's basically on par with TFA and Solo for me.
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