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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    We could use some bullpen depth. We should get after it
    Our pen is pretty deep as of now, i dont agree.

    Smith, Dayton, Minter, maybe Newk from left side.
    Greene, Jackson, Martin, MM, Ynoa, Sobotka, Weigel, O'Day, Walker, Touki maybe from RH side.

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    Non-tender deadline is tonight. Here is who we have to make decisions on. Most seem obvious.

    Shane Greene
    Mike Foltynewicz
    Charlie Culberson
    Johan Camargo
    John Ryan Murphy
    Adam Duvall
    Luke Jackson
    Grant Dayton
    Dansby Swanson

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    We could use some bullpen depth. We should get after it
    Hader isn't simply BP depth, he'd be a key piece. Hader-Smith would be insane but I doubt the asking price is anywhere near worth it. Plus he's a sucky person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    Non-tender deadline is tonight. Here is who we have to make decisions on. Most seem obvious.

    Shane Greene
    Mike Foltynewicz
    Charlie Culberson
    Johan Camargo
    John Ryan Murphy
    Adam Duvall
    Luke Jackson
    Grant Dayton
    Dansby Swanson
    I'd be surprised if Murphy was tendered, but I could I see us bringing him back regardless. Dayton may be as well. Everyone else should be safe.

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    Mark Bowman just tweeted this. Umm what!?

    It sounds like the Braves may non-tender Charlie Culberson before tonight's deadline. This would not be a popular decision. Culberson's value would seemingly be increased next year when the 26-man rosters are put in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I'd be surprised if Murphy was tendered, but I could I see us bringing him back regardless. Dayton may be as well. Everyone else should be safe.
    Based on 2019 Camargo is a possible non tender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tululush View Post
    Mark Bowman just tweeted this. Umm what!?

    It sounds like the Braves may non-tender Charlie Culberson before tonight's deadline. This would not be a popular decision. Culberson's value would seemingly be increased next year when the 26-man rosters are put in place.
    That would be a shock. Especially with how popular he is in the clubhouse. With his positional versatility I don't see how you don't bring him back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JxnMissFan View Post
    Based on 2019 Camargo is a possible non tender.
    He's going to be extremely cheap next year. Why would they do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Our pen is pretty deep as of now, i dont agree.

    Smith, Dayton, Minter, maybe Newk from left side.
    Greene, Jackson, Martin, MM, Ynoa, Sobotka, Weigel, O'Day, Walker, Touki maybe from RH side.
    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    Hader isn't simply BP depth, he'd be a key piece. Hader-Smith would be insane but I doubt the asking price is anywhere near worth it. Plus he's a sucky person.
    Some of you need to have your sarcasm detectors calibrated

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    He's going to be extremely cheap next year. Why would they do that?
    I may be wrong, but the projected salary I’ve seen is 1.5 million. That’s not expensive but getting into the range where there are equal options on the market. I believe the real Carmargo is the 2019 version not the 2018 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tululush View Post
    Mark Bowman just tweeted this. Umm what!?

    It sounds like the Braves may non-tender Charlie Culberson before tonight's deadline. This would not be a popular decision. Culberson's value would seemingly be increased next year when the 26-man rosters are put in place.
    Culberson has been insanely lucky the last 2 seasons offensively with by far the highest wOBA-xwOBA delta of all Braves position players. His xwOBA of .274 is probably more predictive of his future offensive potential than the .326 wOBA he has actually posted the last 2 seasons.

    Here are MLBTR's projections for arb salaries:

    Shane Greene – $6.5MM
    Mike Foltynewicz – $7.5MM
    Charlie Culberson – $1.8MM
    Adam Duvall – $3.8MM
    John Ryan Murphy – $1.2MM
    Dansby Swanson – $3.3MM
    Luke Jackson – $1.9MM
    Grant Dayton – $800K
    Johan Camargo – $1.6MM

    For approximately the same cash, the Braves can likely replace Culberson with Hech and get a better bat and a better defender.

    I wouldn't be shocked either way to see Camargo/Culberson stay or go, but I suspect they will both stay. The minor improvements at those bench spots probably isn't worth the fallout from dumping those seemingly popular players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JxnMissFan View Post
    Based on 2019 Camargo is a possible non tender.
    Seems unlikely given his position flexibility and likely cost to replace him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Culberson has been insanely lucky the last 2 seasons offensively with by far the highest wOBA-xwOBA delta of all Braves position players. His xwOBA of .274 is probably more predictive of his future offensive potential than the .326 wOBA he has actually posted the last 2 seasons.

    Here are MLBTR's projections for arb salaries:

    Shane Greene – $6.5MM
    Mike Foltynewicz – $7.5MM
    Charlie Culberson – $1.8MM
    Adam Duvall – $3.8MM
    John Ryan Murphy – $1.2MM
    Dansby Swanson – $3.3MM
    Luke Jackson – $1.9MM
    Grant Dayton – $800K
    Johan Camargo – $1.6MM

    For approximately the same cash, the Braves can likely replace Culberson with Hech and get a better bat and a better defender.

    I wouldn't be shocked either way to see Camargo/Culberson stay or go, but I suspect they will both stay. The minor improvements at those bench spots probably isn't worth the fallout from dumping those seemingly popular players.
    I think your last sentence sums it up perfectly. Clubhouse culture can't be understated.

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    Braves have non-tendered Culberson
    Get off my lawn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    I think your last sentence sums it up perfectly. Clubhouse culture can't be understated.
    And no sooner than I hit the post button they cut him loose.

    Color me mildly surprised they are keeping Camargo while dropped Culberson.

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    Could certainly replace Charlie fairly easily. But for the price, I'm partial to the mentality "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Braves have non-tendered Culberson
    thus began the sundering of the elves
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Braves have non-tendered Culberson
    Well poop. May be we bring him back on a cheaper deal?

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    Camargo can't be the primary backup plan at SS in case Swanson is out for an extended period. Someone like Hech is probably acquired.

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    Fans on fb are going nuts that Culberson was non tendered. At that price point I would of kept him. Maybe they turn around and resign him.

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