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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...democrats.html


    Oklahoma was a low-tax state even before the 2010 GOP wave crashed over it. But tea-party Republican governor Mary Fallin and her conservative allies weren’t content with the low baseline they’d inherited. Like President Trump and congressional Republicans, Fallin believed that cutting taxes on wealthy individuals and businesses was the way to grow an economy, no matter what level those taxes were currently at, or how novel circumstances might change the government’s budgetary needs.
    Thanks—a really good link, illustrating the gap between the stridently vocal anti-tax minority and the material preferences and proclivities of most voters (and most Republicans). Note:

    That poll also found 74 percent of Oklahomans saying that increasing teacher pay should be a major priority for their government — and 64 percent saying that expanding health-care access should be one — compared to just 38 percent who said the same about “lowering taxes.” [...] Oklahoma’s Republican Party grew ever more fanatically committed to cutting taxes, even as shifting circumstances made it impossible to sustain basic public goods without raising them. Now, the discrepancy between the GOP’s fiscal priorities, and its voters’ material needs, has become stark enough to challenge partisan loyalties.
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    This paragraph is sticking with me, too:

    A Quinnipiac poll released this week found that only 16 percent of Americans believe President Trump’s tax plan will lower their taxes, while 59 percent say the plan will favor the wealthy over the middle class. These are shocking figures given how much money Republicans and conservative outside groups have devoted to propaganda for their bill. And Quinnipiac is far from the only pollster to find most Americans meeting the GOP’s case for corporate tax cuts with incredulity. On Wednesday, SurveyMonkey found that 78 percent of Americans — including roughly 70 percent of Republicans — don’t believe that a tax cut on their employers would result in a paycheck increase for them, despite the White House’s relentless claims to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    This paragraph is sticking with me, too:
    Ehh. It's hard to beat big media when it comes to messaging. The main networks are pitching this as a typical Pub tax cut for the rich. If only 16% believe their taxes fall then it means about 80% are wrong.

    I do wish it was a better plan, but I believe it does more harm than good. Student loan and inheritance tax reversals would make it a lot better. The third bracket probably should have started a bit higher and the fourth bracket a bit lower. Rs continue to shoot themselves in the foot by missing low hanging fruit.
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    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...es-325-percent



    Lilly is one of three drug companies targeted by a class-action lawsuit that accuses the company, then under Azar’s watch, of exploiting the drug pricing system to ensure higher profit for insulin and has been fined in Mexico for colluding on the pricing of the drug.

    Azar, who spent almost a decade at Eli Lilly, rising to become president of the drug giant’s U.S. operations before leaving earlier this year, doesn’t deny drug costs are a consumer issue. But his record there and as a top official in George W. Bush’s administration suggests he’s unlikely to push pricing policies that would hit pharmaceutical companies’ pocketbooks.

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    I am so old I remember when Donald Trump promised to release his tax returns

    maybe today ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    I do wish it was a better plan, but I believe it does more harm than good. Student loan and inheritance tax reversals would make it a lot better. The third bracket probably should have started a bit higher and the fourth bracket a bit lower. Rs continue to shoot themselves in the foot by missing low hanging fruit.
    Freudian slip? Because I certainly agree this current tax plan does more harm than good.
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    Head of US Strategic Command reassures everyone that Trump can't just fire off nukes because he got all pissy one day
    you know you have no business being president if this has to be said from people
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    Alan‏ @idontwan2know
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    A twitter beef between Lavar Ball and the president of the United States. Welcome to 2017.


    Dan Wolken‏Verified account @DanWolken

    LaVar Ball trolled the President of the United States into mentioning him by name. I mean, just think about that.



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    Let me preface this with we watched episode 10 of Ken Burns Viet Nam last night.
    The one where the Pentagon Papers were published forcing Nixon to form the plumbers

    Interesting enough, the plumbers came into being because Nixon was afraid it would be revealed he had short circuited the 4 cornered Paris Negotiations.


    This read from Daily Beast
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    It used to be that when you said you were a Democrat, no one knew if you were a liberal or a conservative. When you said you were a Republican, no one knew if you were a conservative or a liberal. Now there are no liberal Republicans and no conservative Democrats. And so governing has become a partisan pendulum at best or gridlock at worst, and real progress feels impossible because the parties have lost the thing that allowed them to govern: common ground. The beginning of the end of that common ground was 1968. The presidential campaign of that year planted seeds in both parties that still bear fruit today.

    When the 1968 presidential campaign began, a liberal Republican was a frontrunner for the nomination, and a Southern Democrat with a conservative history had a lock on the Democratic nomination. The liberal Republican candidates, George Romney and Nelson Rockefeller, and the conservative Republican candidate, Ronald Reagan, lost the nomination to the comparatively centrist Republican Richard Nixon. The Democratic front runner, incumbent president Lyndon Johnson, dropped out of the race after a shockingly strong challenge from the left side of his own party, first from Senator Eugene McCarthy and then by Senator Robert Kennedy.

    Bernie Sanders was 27 years old when he moved to Vermont in 1968 and watched with as much surprise as President Johnson and the rest of the country when Gene McCarthy “won” the New Hampshire primary by finishing a strong second to LBJ. The model for the Bernie Sanders insurgency from the left against the Democratic Party establishment’s front runner was created by McCarthy in 1968. After the assassination of Bobby Kennedy on the night he won the California primary followed by a chaotic Chicago convention with rioting in the streets, the party establishment delivered the nomination to LBJ’s heir apparent, Vice President Hubert Humphrey, who then went on to lose in November, as has every Democratic establishment nominee since then who has had to overcome a serious primary challenge from the left. Establishment Democrats are always the last to know when something new and important is happening in their party. So too with establishment Republicans. None of them saw Trumpism coming.

    Candidates like Sarah Palin in 2008 and Herman Cain in 2012 helped Republican voters develop a tolerance for Donald Trump’s fact-free campaign pronouncements. But the essence of Trump’s appeal to what has come to be known as the Trump base was born in 1968.

    Two years before he ran for president as a third-party candidate in 1968, Alabama governor George Wallace said, “Hell, we got too much dignity in government now. What we need is some meanness.” Wallace was the first presidential candidate to use the protesters in his audiences to show off his meanness. Trump was the second. “I’d like to punch him in the face,” Trump told a campaign audience as a protester was being escorted out. Wallace called his protesters “commies.” Trump called his protesters “animals,” the same word he uses for terrorists. When comparing the Wallace and Trump campaign styles last year, Tom Turnipseed, the Wallace ’68 campaign manager, told me, “They are a lot alike.” He said they both used “the politics of fear”—“You know, it’s like you gotta be afraid. You know, the black folks are taking over. And, you know, Trump, the Mexicans are coming. The Chinese are going to get you.”

    After the rioting at the Democratic convention, Wallace surged in the polls, pulling more voters from Nixon than Humphrey. “I don’t talk about race or segregation anymore,” Wallace said in September. “We’re talking about law and order.” Nixon became the “law and order” candidate, as have all Republican presidential candidates since then. Nixon chose a running mate who sounded like Wallace and Trump. “If you’ve seen one slum you’ve seen them all,” said Spiro Agnew. He called a Japanese reporter a “fat Jap.” He called Humphrey “squishy soft on communism.”

    Candidate Trump’s insistence that he knew “more about ISIS than the generals do” and that he had a secret plan to defeat ISIS was modelled on candidate Nixon’s 1968 secret plan to end the Vietnam War, a war that the Nixon-Ford administration did not end until 1975.
    “We have reason to wonder who would be president today if Richard Nixon had not lured Roger Ailes into presidential politics in 1968.”

    In an election that Nixon won by less than 1 percent of the vote, it is likely that Nixon would not have won without Roger Ailes and the innovative media strategy he helped create for the campaign. As a campaign media strategist, Ailes helped elect two more Republican presidents, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. As the president of Fox News, Ailes helped elect two more Republican presidents, George W. Bush and Donald Trump. We have reason to wonder who would be president today if Richard Nixon had not lured Ailes into presidential politics in 1968.

    The last liberal standing on a Republican convention stage was New York City Mayor John Lindsay in 1968. In one of the most poignant moments of that year, after failing to get the vice presidential nomination himself, Lindsay was forced into the humiliating role of seconding the nomination of Spiro Agnew. The cleansing of the parties picked up speed after that and was complete by the end of the century.

    When the parties agree on nothing, it’s easier to think of the other party as “the enemy,” a term President Trump has used for his opponents. It’s easier to call peaceful protesters “animals.” By the end of the ’70s, politicians like George Wallace, Spiro Agnew, and Richard Nixon seemed like an extinct breed. Now they seem ahead of their time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Freudian slip? Because I certainly agree this current tax plan does more harm than good.
    Whoops. Good catch.
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    Anthony Slater‏Verified account @anthonyVslater
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    Steve Kerr on the Trump, LaVar stuff: "Two people seeking attention...It'd be nice if you stopped covering both of them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    you know you have no business being president if this has to be said from people
    Maggie Haberman‏Verified account @maggieNYT
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    Maggie Haberman Retweeted Donald J. Trump

    US president says he should have left US citizens imprisoned by non-democratic regime because the family didn’t acknowledge him personally

    who votes for people like that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Maggie Haberman‏Verified account @maggieNYT
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    Maggie Haberman Retweeted Donald J. Trump

    US president says he should have left US citizens imprisoned by non-democratic regime because the family didn’t acknowledge him personally

    who votes for people like that ?

    Yeah that’s how it went down. Lavar is a dick and was a dick to Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Yeah that’s how it went down. Lavar is a dick and was a dick to Trump.
    Maybe. But Trump is a bigger dick, metaphorically speaking, who encourages dickish behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    Maybe. But Trump is a bigger dick, metaphorically speaking, who encourages dickish behavior.
    If that was your kid, you would have enough respect to thank the man who had your son released. You wouldn’t say ‘who’ I also imagine you wouldn’t say ‘it’s not big deal’ if your grown adult so shoplifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    If that was your kid, you would have enough respect to thank the man who had your son released. You wouldn’t say ‘who’ I also imagine you wouldn’t say ‘it’s not big deal’ if your grown adult so shoplifts.
    If they really did shoplift in China they should be disciplined again by UCLA.

    But the onus here is all on Trump, imo. He should be smart and gracious enough to not make it about himself. He has again missed an easy opportunity to look more presidential. All he had to do was say, "I'm sure their families are glad to have them back and I was was glad to do whatever I could."

    But Trump is too much of an idiot to even do that much. The father gets a pass from me because I know people are dumb. Trump is being paid to be better than that.
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    First off, LaVar Ball is a legitimate moron. See: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ne-one-one-leg

    Secondly, this is a distraction and Trump realizes it. Better to engage in an entirely innocuous, truly petty squabble with a fellow blowhard than to talk about Roy Moore or the excuse for tax reform that Republicans are trying to **** out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    If they really did shoplift in China they should be disciplined again by UCLA.

    But the onus here is all on Trump, imo. He should be smart and gracious enough to not make it about himself. He has again missed an easy opportunity to look more presidential. All he had to do was say, "I'm sure their families are glad to have them back and I was was glad to do whatever I could."

    But Trump is too much of an idiot to even do that much. The father gets a pass from me because I know people are dumb. Trump is being paid to be better than that.

    Trump did initially say that. Then LaVar dissed him by saying ‘who’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    First off, LaVar Ball is a legitimate moron. See: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ne-one-one-leg

    Secondly, this is a distraction and Trump realizes it. Better to engage in an entirely innocuous, truly petty squabble with a fellow blowhard than to talk about Roy Moore or the excuse for tax reform that Republicans are trying to **** out.
    As my pappy used to say, "Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then." Trump would be engaged in the petty squabble regardless.
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    Just a shot in the dark but guessing things like this are normally handled back channel by the State Department.

    Which leads us to the abandonment of our diplomatic infrastructure.

    2bd ly, Trump grandstanded this.
    Trump grandstands ----everything.
    Except Puerto Rican humanitarian relief.
    Wonder why ?

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