The Trump Presidency

[thethe]

I am curious about the research behind this, because it sounds like something that would be found on the sidebar of HuffPo or Breitbart.
Who funded it?
Did they survey legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?
Melting pot immigrants or salad bowl immigrants?
Are survey results broken down by country of origin? Race? Religion?
"the ideas that this country was founded upon" as espoused by who? Did they have to read the entire Declaration of Independence and give a thumbs up or thumb down?
What are the demographics of the "native born" who were polled? Are they broken out by state? Political party?

You are supposed to nod your head and agree. Immigrants are better than Americans.

[thethe]

The articles listed and ideology behind them is off limits because that itself is racist. Obama could come out tomorrow in support of the same ideology and it doesn't change the fact that it's racist.

The fact that these are some of the principles used in support of US policy is disturbing.

Nothing is off limits. Mass immigration worsens the host country in almost all historical examples.

Deny it all you want buts it's happened in America and Europe.

[nsacpi]

The articles listed and ideology behind them is off limits because that itself is racist.

I really don't care whether my neighbor has those ideas or not. I do care that someone working for the president is trying to racialize our immigration system on the basis of white nationalist ideology.

In a similar vein, I don't care if my neighbor is an enthusiast for Sharia. But I do care when people take up arms on the basis of that ideology.

It is a fool's errand to try to patrol people's thoughts. Actions and policy are a different matter.

[nsacpi]

You are supposed to nod your head and agree. Immigrants are better than Americans.

I hate to correct you. But we ARE Americans. As much as anyone else.

[thethe]

I hate to correct you. But we ARE Americans. As much as anyone else.

Not the ones that comes in droves illegally

[Carp]

I hate to correct you. But we ARE Americans. As much as anyone else.

Mic drop on that one.

[nsacpi]

Not the ones that comes in droves illegally

we can enforce our laws without racializing our immigration system based on a white nationalist ideology

we can enforce our laws in a way consistent with our values and without putting in place a policy of deterrence based upon separating children from their parents and keeping them in squalid conditions

[Carp]

Nothing is off limits. Mass immigration worsens the host country in almost all historical examples.

Deny it all you want buts it's happened in America and Europe.

So does isolationism.

[thethe]

we can enforce our laws without racializing our immigration system based on a white nationalist ideology

we can enforce our laws in a way consistent with our values and without putting in place a policy of deterrence based upon separating children from their parents and keeping them in squalid conditions

We are not allowed to change anything without the cries of the progressive left. What you say is what should happen but in reality any policy aimed at deterring illegal immigration is brandished as white nationalism

[thethe]

So does isolationism.

Closing your borders to control immigration is not isolationism. But you know that

[nsacpi]

So does isolationism.

also population mixing is literally in our DNA...even those of us who consider ourselves "pure"

there is a valid policy question of how many legal immigrants to allow and what the rules are governing who gets to come here...reasonable people can disagree on this

but the xenophobia that we see from thethe and others betrays a lack of understanding about how every nationality and ethnic group has been formed...there ain't a single ethnic group in that world that is not a product of mixture between pre-existing groups...xenophobia is an ideology based on ignorance and fear

i'll give an example...people living in India today are the result of a mixture of two populations (geneticists call them ANI and ASI for ancestral north indian and ancestral south indian)...that mixture took place 4000-5000 years ago....in turns the ANI are the product of an earlier mixture between people from Iran and a people sometimes called the Yamnaya who come from the steppe region around the Caspian Sea....and the ASI are themselves a product of a different mixture...and on it goes for every existing group today...the speciation of modern humans in Africa over 300,000 years ago appears to have been the result of a mixing of two populations

mixture is what made all of us what we are today...to deny it and be afraid of it is silly and ignorant

[thethe]

also population mixing is literally in our DNA...even those of us who consider ourselves "pure"

there is a valid policy question of how many legal immigrants to allow and what the rules are governing who gets to come here...reasonable people can disagree on this

but the xenophobia that we see from thethe and others betrays a lack of understanding about how every nationality and ethnic group has been formed...there ain't a single ethnic group in that world that is not a product of mixture between pre-existing groups...xenophobia is an ideology based on ignorance and fear

Fear is amusing. It's a fact based position.

[goldfly]

hell of a time to see someone say "i should be able to quote and link racists, nazis etc and not be labeled racist when i support and promote their opinions and it shouldn't cost me anything either"

[nsacpi]

Fear is amusing. It's a fact based position.

fear of the other is real...but it doesn't mean it is not ignorant

[thethe]

fear of the other is real...but it doesn't mean it is not ignorant

I'm sure there are many that feel this way but there is plenty of data to support a position to end all illegal immigration and conduct further studies on the impact of high levels of legal immigration.

Things like Visa lottery and chain migration shouldn't course end immediately.

[nsacpi]

I'm sure there are many that feel this way but there is plenty of data to support a position to end all illegal immigration and conduct further studies on the impact of high levels of legal immigration.

Things like Visa lottery and chain migration shouldn't course end immediately.

the dirty little secret about illegal immigration is that by and large Americans benefit from it...it is not really a problem...but it would be better to have a regular legal process for the people who come here to pick our crops, take care of our children as nannies, and literally put the roofs over our heads

[Carp]

Closing your borders to control immigration is not isolationism. But you know that

Actual it is. And it's spilled over into our foreign policy as well. But whatever.

[Snowman]

hell of a time to see someone say "i should be able to quote and link racists, nazis etc and not be labeled racist when i support and promote their opinions and it shouldn't cost me anything either"

And I'm going to reiterate here that I have a problem with the fact that I cannot ignore this guy.

[Snowman]

I know this will come as a huge shock to all of us, but the Saugus shooter today had shown sympathy for the Christchurch mosque shooter on social media. You know, the one who livestreamed while he killed 50 people because whites were being replaced by immigrants and with Trump the white world finally had a symbol to rally behind to kill them all. No idea why any of that could sound familiar.

Of course, the media is mainly concentrating on the fact that he is half-Asian.

[thethe]

the dirty little secret about illegal immigration is that by and large Americans benefit from it...it is not really a problem...but it would be better to have a regular legal process for the people who come here to pick our crops, take care of our children as nannies, and literally put the roofs over our heads

Endorsed by the koch brothers.