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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Looking at where Boston is, i dont know. They have some bad contracts, farm is weak, Mookie isnt signed to a long-term deal yet and is rumored to be on the block this winter. They do have unlimited funds but you still need to develop from within.
    They have 80 million coming off the books this season and another 20 million the following year. Their core is pretty awesome even without Mookie and locked up for a long time. Their main issue this year were injuries, their BP, and playing in the AL East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Looking at where Boston is, i dont know. They have some bad contracts, farm is weak, Mookie isnt signed to a long-term deal yet and is rumored to be on the block this winter. They do have unlimited funds but you still need to develop from within.
    DD was given a mandate to go win it all and he did just that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    DD was given a mandate to go win it all and he did just that.
    I think it is a bit more complicated than that. Winning a championship doesn't excuse all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    DD was given a mandate to go win it all and he did just that.
    I agree, came at a cost though.

    We've had this debate on here about going all in vs having sustained success. A championship is a championship but you shorten your window even if you win it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    I heard that from a few sources back then, so it wasn't just Passan. I cannot recall the other but it was mentioned on MLB Network by someone.

    So Coppy gave away Simmons for a reliever and tried to sell low on Albies. That is scary.

    How could something that never happened under someone that is no longer in Atlanta be scary? (or interesting)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    How could something that never happened under someone that is no longer in Atlanta be scary?
    Think he's implying if Coppy never got caught, what else he could have done. Like trade Ozzie for Yelich, which granted wouldnt have been bad, or move Soroka, or someone else for Realmuto. Or sign a big FA to a bad deal, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Think he's implying if Coppy never got caught, what else he could have done. Like trade Ozzie for Yelich, which granted wouldnt have been bad, or move Soroka, or someone else for Realmuto. Or sign a big FA to a bad deal, etc.
    So what if a trade that never happened was emblematic of more hypothetical trades that never happened?

    Seems like a weird thing to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    DD was given a mandate to go win it all and he did just that.
    It is not hard to tear a team down and trade present value for future value. It is also not hard to push all resources to the middle and trade all future wins for present wins, especially when a team has the massive resources of the BoSox.

    The hard part is maintaining the long term like the Dodgers (and AA so far). That's what separates the good GMs from the average ones.

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    Red Sox might have to get rid of JD and/or Mookie due to luxury tax implications.

    I do wonder what kinda return it would get for Betts if he got moved, he has 1 year left and is probably due near 30 mil in arb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Red Sox might have to get rid of JD and/or Mookie due to luxury tax implications.

    I do wonder what kinda return it would get for Betts if he got moved, he has 1 year left and is probably due near 30 mil in arb.
    Again, 80 million coming off the books at the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Again, 80 million coming off the books at the end of the season.
    Article came from the Boston Globe, not me speculating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Again, 80 million coming off the books at the end of the season.
    And a good measure of that dead money is from Cherington’s regime, too, so a lot of their current luxury-tax mess is hard to blame on Dombrowski.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Again, 80 million coming off the books at the end of the season.
    Are we still projecting payroll space by “money coming off the books”?

    Have we not yet learned a lot of that cash is already spoken for by built in raises to the current roster?

    Guess not.

    And yes, odd to fire a guy for going all in as directed by the owner.

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    Dave's drafts the last 3 years have been pretty bad, Dalbac is the only decent pick he's had and he's ok but nothing special.

    Not saying i would or wouldnt have fired him though.

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    Flags fly forever!! Derrrrppp!!

    How much fun are Red Sox fans having staring at that flag while their team has no chance for the playoffs?

    Do they even have testosterone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Flags fly forever!! Derrrrppp!!

    How much fun are Red Sox fans having staring at that flag while their team has no chance for the playoffs?

    Do they even have testosterone?
    winning a WS gives each player 10 testosterones and each fan 3 testosterones.
    now who's the derp??
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    I think it’s fair to say Dombrowski did the job he was asked to do and did it well.

    And given that his contract was up at the end of the season, I think it’s fair for Boston’s management to make a decision DD’s skill set didn’t fit the needs of the organization looking forward.

    Similar with players, you pay/hire someone to do the job moving forward, not looking back.

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    Perhaps through no intention of his own, Dombrowski could be the stand in for the old argument. Would you rather aim for consistent success or to win championships. Marlins or Braves?

    Whether it was his choice or the dictates of his ownership groups, his end strategy tended towards the latter. Though he certainly helped build good teams in Montreal, Florida (x2), and Detroit before Boston.

    It's perhaps no surprise that he was the employer of Frank Wren, who himself is a lightning rod (though his defenders insist that Wren was a man without agency in his decision making).

    I think Dombrowski has had a successful career by any measure.

    I think there is an argument that attempts to build for the very long haul, particularly outside of the big markets, is probably a fool's errand. The natural course of baseball is to ebb and flow in relatively short cycles. The Braves are the anomaly that probably won't be repeated often. The Marlins are a reachable goal if you do it well.

    I don't think anyone would seriously suggest the Red Sox are down for long, if their current season even qualifies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I don't think anyone would seriously suggest the Red Sox are down for long, if their current season even qualifies.
    A lot depends which direction they go this winter. Do they go into a rebuild or short re-tool? But they have some rather large salaries, the farm is barren, and have some players who would bring back alot in return, should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    winning a WS gives each player 10 testosterones and each fan 3 testosterones.
    now who's the derp??
    Do fans have to buy two tickets? One for themselves and one for their massive John Thomas?

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