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    Yankees just traded for Lance Lynn.

    Makes me think Gray is on the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    Yankees just traded for Lance Lynn.

    Makes me think Gray is on the move.
    They seem to be setting up for something

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    Just asking Rays have the international penalty? I don’t have any idea but the Yankees are making a lot of trade for international money and maybe they are planning to send all to the Rays for Chris Archer.
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    The Yankees just got Lance Lynn..

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    They pretty much swapped Warren for Lynn in the BP. Doesn’t seem to be anything deeper than that at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    For reference, here is what the Rays equivalent to Talking Chop (so take that for what it's worth) writes about trading Archer to the Braves:

    https://www.draysbay.com/2018/7/28/1...n-diego-padres

    Likely trade targets:

    3B Austin Riley (No. 29)
    RHP Ian Anderson (No. 38) or RHP Kyle Wright (No. 40)
    OF Cristian Pache (No. 98) or OF Drew Waters (NR)
    RHP Touki Toussaint (NR) or LHP Kolby Allard (NR)

    The best young pieces in Atlanta are already part of the Braves rebuild, but stepping out of the top-10 for a centerpiece casts a wider net on the Top-100.

    Riley is young for his level and a reasonable start, and nabbing Wright would make an Archer deal a win for the Rays. Add a young outfield prospect and a Triple-A starter, and I don’t see how Tampa Bay says no.

    Danny’s best guess: Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard makes this too difficult to pass up.


    First, we examine Archer's surplus value...

    2018: ~1.5 wins RoS is $30M while being paid ~$2M is $25M-$30M surplus value.
    2019: I'll project 3+ wins for $7.5M is another $20M+ in surplus value.
    2020: Project 3 ins for $9M (option) is another ~$20M in surplus value.
    2021: Again project 3 wins for $11M is another ~$20M in surplus value.

    Add all that up, and we are talking about a total surplus value in the range of $90M+. Add in the fact that a team can limit its downside via the 2 option years, and the surplus probably inches towards $100M.

    Approximate values of the guys listed by the Rays fansite...

    3B Austin Riley (FV 50) = $20M
    RHP Ian Anderson (FV 50) = $20M
    RHP Kyle Wright (FV 55) = $38M
    OF Cristian Pache (FV 55) = $38M
    OF Drew Waters (FV 45, likely FV 50 now) = $20M
    RHP Touki Toussaint (FV 50) = $20M
    LHP Kolby Allard (FV 50) = $20M

    That Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard package they suggest carries a total value of about $115M, so it's not horribly off. A reasonable offer considering they are Rays fans.

    I would NOT be in favor of trading such a package for Archer.

    To me, an acceptable package would have to center around guys like Gohara (if the Braves are done with him), Fried, Allard and Camargo (if he is replaced this season with Beltre or Solarte).
    I’d do yours and be willing to include Cumberland if the Rays like him and/or Izzy Or Encarnacion as a wild card.

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    Lynn was another guy I liked for our rotation as cheap depth. Essentially replacing McCarthy and hoping that coming back to the NL would help get him back to his 2017 form. Oh well.

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    So the Mariners give up 1.25M in slot money for Warren. And we give up a total of 500K for Brach and Venters. That's some pretty good work by AA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    So the Mariners give up 1.25M in slot money for Warren. And we give up a total of 500K for Brach and Venters. That's some pretty good work by AA.
    Not sure when/if this was stated. But is that slot money for the current signing period or for next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    So the Mariners give up 1.25M in slot money for Warren. And we give up a total of 500K for Brach and Venters. That's some pretty good work by AA.
    We also promised to hide a signee out for a while before signing day

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Not sure when/if this was stated. But is that slot money for the current signing period or for next year?
    I think you can only trade the current year slot money. We don't have any for next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think you can only trade the current year slot money. We don't have any for next year.
    I thought the Braves were just limited to 10K per signing next year

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    I wish we can make our own surveys to see how many people here like Archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixiXSolidXixi View Post
    I wish we can make our own surveys to see how many people here like Archer.
    I like him, i dont like him enough to throw a godfather offer for him.

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    Oops. Posted in the wrong thread. Might as well use this space. If Archer costs as much as it seems he's going to, I'd rather just bump the package up a bit and add Syndegaard or Degrom. If you're going to give up 4 pretty damn good prospects then you need to go for it and get a true elite player, imo. Spending 4 top prospects on Archer would be a bad move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I thought the Braves were just limited to 10K per signing next year
    i don't think we have any...signings for 10K or less don't count against slot
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    i don't think we have any...signings for 10K or less don't count against slot
    The Braves can't sign anyone for more than $10k the next two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacheaholic View Post
    The Braves can't sign anyone for more than $10k the next two years.
    just next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    For reference, here is what the Rays equivalent to Talking Chop (so take that for what it's worth) writes about trading Archer to the Braves:

    https://www.draysbay.com/2018/7/28/1...n-diego-padres

    Likely trade targets:

    3B Austin Riley (No. 29)
    RHP Ian Anderson (No. 38) or RHP Kyle Wright (No. 40)
    OF Cristian Pache (No. 98) or OF Drew Waters (NR)
    RHP Touki Toussaint (NR) or LHP Kolby Allard (NR)

    The best young pieces in Atlanta are already part of the Braves rebuild, but stepping out of the top-10 for a centerpiece casts a wider net on the Top-100.

    Riley is young for his level and a reasonable start, and nabbing Wright would make an Archer deal a win for the Rays. Add a young outfield prospect and a Triple-A starter, and I don’t see how Tampa Bay says no.

    Danny’s best guess: Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard makes this too difficult to pass up.


    First, we examine Archer's surplus value...

    2018: ~1.5 wins RoS is $30M while being paid ~$2M is $25M-$30M surplus value.
    2019: I'll project 3+ wins for $7.5M is another $20M+ in surplus value.
    2020: Project 3 ins for $9M (option) is another ~$20M in surplus value.
    2021: Again project 3 wins for $11M is another ~$20M in surplus value.

    Add all that up, and we are talking about a total surplus value in the range of $90M+. Add in the fact that a team can limit its downside via the 2 option years, and the surplus probably inches towards $100M.

    Approximate values of the guys listed by the Rays fansite...

    3B Austin Riley (FV 50) = $20M
    RHP Ian Anderson (FV 50) = $20M
    RHP Kyle Wright (FV 55) = $38M
    OF Cristian Pache (FV 55) = $38M
    OF Drew Waters (FV 45, likely FV 50 now) = $20M
    RHP Touki Toussaint (FV 50) = $20M
    LHP Kolby Allard (FV 50) = $20M

    That Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard package they suggest carries a total value of about $115M, so it's not horribly off. A reasonable offer considering they are Rays fans.

    I would NOT be in favor of trading such a package for Archer.

    To me, an acceptable package would have to center around guys like Gohara (if the Braves are done with him), Fried, Allard and Camargo (if he is replaced this season with Beltre or Solarte).
    If that is the legit price for Archer... and there are teams willing to pay it... We need a for sale sign on Folty PDQ. I'll gladly punt this years playoff run for that kind of talent return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    just next year
    No, it's next two years.

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