Flint, Mich

[Hawk]

Except nope. Most immigrants I know do the ****tiest work. We're talking migrant workers, double shifts at different fast food places, etc. And honestly I know no one who'd hire someone who doesn't speak English over someone who would for similar wage. The issue is these people are doing jobs that no one wants to do. I know plenty of people who'd rather scrap and get by than be a migrant worker.

Well, hello arguments from 2002.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/2...ls-since-2007/

[zitothebrave]

Well, hello arguments from 2002.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/2...ls-since-2007/

So you disproved my information by confirming?

8 times as many undocumented as US born farmers and about twice as many in service (restaurant) Which again, have you ever worked in the industry? Because they're doing the jobs that most don't really want to do in that industry.

[Julio3000]

Yeah, I'm not sure how the changes in those numbers substantively affect the big picture.

[Hawk]

So you disproved my information by confirming?

8 times as many undocumented as US born farmers and about twice as many in service (restaurant) Which again, have you ever worked in the industry? Because they're doing the jobs that most don't really want to do in that industry.

Hint: Trendline

And no thanks on the anecdotal contribution.

[zitothebrave]

Hint: Trendline

And no thanks on the anecdotal contribution.

The trend is that illegals are doing different menial entry level jobs that almost no US citizen really wants to do? At least really doesn't want to do for a short period of time?

I'm sorry, but the facts are the facts, illegals are a problem, but banning them isn't the solution. An easier path to citizenship to get them to pay taxes is the solution. Or if you want to ban illegals punish people who hire illegals. Nothing will stop them if they just get a slap on the wrist and their help gets deported which they can replace with someone else.

[Hawk]

The trend is that illegals are doing different menial entry level jobs that almost no US citizen really wants to do? At least really doesn't want to do for a short period of time?

Again, this argument is over a decade old. Repeating it over and over again (while referencing the Mexican dishwashers you know) doesn't make it any less stale, outdated, or culturally ignorant.

Do FOB illegals often settle for undesirable jobs that are tantamount to slave labor? Yes.
Do they continue working these jobs for extended periods of time? No.
Do they have families? Children? Yes.
Are they also part of the illegal workforce? Yes.
Did you read past the first sentence of the study I linked? No.
Are you blindly ignoring the evolution of the immigrant community at-large over the past 10 years? Yes.

I'm sorry, but the facts are the facts, illegals are a problem, but banning them isn't the solution. An easier path to citizenship to get them to pay taxes is the solution. Or if you want to ban illegals punish people who hire illegals. Nothing will stop them if they just get a slap on the wrist and their help gets deported which they can replace with someone else.

Ok. Sure. Your non-existent facts are 'the facts' ... so I'll refrain from saying anything about how utterly one dimensional your viewpoint here is.

[zitothebrave]

I'm sorry but I personally know no illegals who have jobs beyond the menial. I'm sure there are some, but I'm guessing it's a small percentage.

And it's not the last decade, immigrants have been doing ****ty work for pretty much the entirety of the US. Who built the railroads? Who worked the ****ty factory conditions of early industrial revolution? Etc.

[Hawk]

I'm sorry but I personally know no illegals who have jobs beyond the menial.

[sturg33]

I'm sorry but I personally know no illegals who have jobs beyond the menial.

LOL so you think that major corporations should be hiring illegals and paying them big money?