Page 139 of 1422 FirstFirst ... 39891291371381391401411491892396391139 ... LastLast
Results 2,761 to 2,780 of 28437

Thread: The Trump Presidency

  1. #2761
    It's OVER 5,000! 57Brave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    22,800
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,682
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,889
    Thanked in
    1,420 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Because it's bad politics.

    When you have the inept Bernie Sanders screaming that Republicans want to kick millions off health care, it's a bad look.

    Just like with social security, it's bad politics... but it's not bad math
    why is it bad politics ?
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

  2. #2762
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    It was all grandstanding and political posturing. They obviously never thought they'd actually be in position to "repeal&replace", and now they're caught scrambling, junk-in-mitts.
    I'm shocked--SHOCKED--at the mendacity.

  3. #2763
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,586
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Since the increase in premiums during the ACA years have been less than the increase in premiums immediately-pre-ACA, I'm pretty comfortable with that. You disagree?
    I'm not comfortable with it... because increases immediately after were very high, and are now getting very high again.

    The ACA required a whole lot of participation, and it isn't really getting it. The increase of 85% coverage to 90% is pretty pathetic when you consider that they mandated it by law and invested trillions of dollars

  4. #2764
    Waiting for Free Agency acesfull86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,899
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,746
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,281
    Thanked in
    908 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So you'd be in favor of accelerating costs and less widespread coverage. OK. So your solution is repeal w/ no replacement?
    Only Terri Gross and 57's wife begin sentences with "so."

  5. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to acesfull86 For This Useful Post:

    Hawk (02-23-2017), Julio3000 (02-23-2017), sturg33 (02-23-2017)

  6. #2765
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Seriously, y'all. Just say it. If you don't want more, less affluent people to have access to health care in preference to wealthier people having slightly cheaper--but still escalating--health care costs, just say it. That's what the status quo ante was. If that's what you want, just own it.

  7. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    57Brave (02-23-2017), jpx7 (02-23-2017)

  8. #2766
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,903
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,441
    Thanked in
    3,830 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I don't understand why there is a need for a "replacement"

    What was there before it? Have things gotten worse? Yes.

    When there is a fire, you extinguish it.. you don't then replace it with a new fire
    That analogy pretends as if we had a sound and stable healthcare system before, one that adequately served the needs of all citizens. But we did not.

    A better analogy would be: if a band-aid doesn't treat a bullet-wound, you don't shoot the would again for good measure; you go out and seek better triage.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  9. #2767
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,586
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Seriously, y'all. Just say it. If you don't want more, less affluent people to have access to health care in preference to wealthier people having slightly cheaper--but still escalating--health care costs, just say it. That's what the status quo ante was. If that's what you want, just own it.
    What I want is very far from what we have.

    But I definitely don't want a government mandate to buy a product. And I definitely don't believe in people subsidizing others. And that goes way beyond healthcare... And has nothing to with rich vs poor

  10. #2768
    It's OVER 5,000! 57Brave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    22,800
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,682
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,889
    Thanked in
    1,420 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I'm not comfortable with it... because increases immediately after were very high, and are now getting very high again.

    The ACA required a whole lot of participation, and it isn't really getting it. The increase of 85% coverage to 90% is pretty pathetic when you consider that they mandated it by law and invested trillions of dollars
    unless of course you or a family member are of that 85-90%.

    As designed had all of the states participated in Medicaid expansion your point would be moot
    It was a political choice not a health care choice made by (R) governors and legislature
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

  11. #2769
    Connoisseur of Minors zitothebrave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    DANGERZONE
    Posts
    24,622
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,428
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,432
    Thanked in
    2,463 Posts
    Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg

  12. #2770
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Seriously, y'all. Just say it. If you don't want more, less affluent people to have access to health care in preference to wealthier people having slightly cheaper--but still escalating--health care costs, just say it. That's what the status quo ante was. If that's what you want, just own it.
    This is a silly argument. I don't care about rich peoplr. I care about my bottom line. The middle class is more adefected than anyone.
    Natural Immunity Croc

  13. #2771
    Connoisseur of Minors zitothebrave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    DANGERZONE
    Posts
    24,622
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,428
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,432
    Thanked in
    2,463 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This is a silly argument. I don't care about rich peoplr. I care about my bottom line. The middle class is more adefected than anyone.
    Nahhhhh
    Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg

  14. #2772
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    I'm gonna get real for a second. In the first few years of the ACA, I was a relatively well-off net payer into the system. Then my wife lost her job and my business suffered some hard times that necessitated my dropping employee coverage, which included my own. For the last year we've (the wife and our 5 kids) survived with the help of a subsidized policy through the ACA. Concurrently with that, my sister (who is a self-employed starving-artist type, married to a private-school teacher) had a child diagnosed with a brain tumor. That kid has currently had two brain surgeries and is now in a 6-month chemo regimen. Without the ACA they'd be bankrupt and out of their home. Without the ACA my family would be without health insurance, since we make too much to qualify for CHIP and Medicaid, but not enough to afford market prices for health insurance. So, yannow, sorry I don't feel your pain. When I was paying market rates for coverage, I didn't resent it.

  15. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    DaneHill (02-23-2017), Hawk (02-24-2017), jpx7 (02-23-2017), The Chosen One (02-23-2017)

  16. #2773
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Glad you were able to make it through so rough times.

  17. #2774
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Glad you were able to make it through so rough times.
    My family is fine. We have resources that mean that we aren't going to be on the streets. But that's because we're, I mean Ms. Julio and myself, fortunate enough to come from affluent families who are going to make sure that we aren't eating out of dumpsters because we can't pay our bills. That being said, I have a perspective that includes folks who aren't as lucky as I am. Someone in my position who wasn't in the lucky sperm club like me would be doomed.

  18. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    Hawk (02-24-2017), jpx7 (02-23-2017)

  19. #2775
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,586
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I'm gonna get real for a second. In the first few years of the ACA, I was a relatively well-off net payer into the system. Then my wife lost her job and my business suffered some hard times that necessitated my dropping employee coverage, which included my own. For the last year we've (the wife and our 5 kids) survived with the help of a subsidized policy through the ACA. Concurrently with that, my sister (who is a self-employed starving-artist type, married to a private-school teacher) had a child diagnosed with a brain tumor. That kid has currently had two brain surgeries and is now in a 6-month chemo regimen. Without the ACA they'd be bankrupt and out of their home. Without the ACA my family would be without health insurance, since we make too much to qualify for CHIP and Medicaid, but not enough to afford market prices for health insurance. So, yannow, sorry I don't feel your pain. When I was paying market rates for coverage, I didn't resent it.
    I empathize for your story... but I'm looking at the bigger picture. The ACA system - like SS and Medicare, is not sustainable and will not have sufficient funds to cover it over the long term. Then we will have catastrophe at a wide level.

    We do have a problem that health insurance is so expensive. Why do you think that is?

  20. #2776
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Interesting question. Who's benefiting from the current system?

  21. The Following User Says Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (02-23-2017)

  22. #2777
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    I mean, I'm all most afraid to ask what your favored solution would be, but when you cut through all the bull**** the ACA question is do you think that the relatively more well-off among us should subsidize health care cost for the relatively less well-off.

    Unless and until you can suggest a more realistic dynamic for widely affordable and available healthcare, that seems to be the question.

  23. The Following User Says Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (02-23-2017)

  24. #2778
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    And, if the deafening silence coming from the party in power is any indication, there isn't much of a satisfying answer to that question.

  25. #2779
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I mean, I'm all most afraid to ask what your favored solution would be, but when you cut through all the bull**** the ACA question is do you think that the relatively more well-off among us should subsidize health care cost for the relatively less well-off.

    Unless and until you can suggest a more realistic dynamic for widely affordable and available healthcare, that seems to be the question.
    I don't believe health care is a right. That difference in ideology will never allow us to come to an agreement.
    Natural Immunity Croc

  26. #2780
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Ok. Let's say not a human right. Is it good politics and good policy to have good health care affordable to more people?

  27. The Following User Says Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (02-23-2017)

Similar Threads

  1. The Pence Presidency
    By nsacpi in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 08-23-2018, 08:14 PM
  2. Trump Taxes
    By 57Brave in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 04-18-2017, 02:22 AM
  3. What will become of the Trump administration?
    By Runnin in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 03-08-2017, 04:52 PM
  4. Trump winning the Presidency...
    By weso1 in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 12-14-2016, 02:27 PM
  5. Trump U
    By 57Brave in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 92
    Last Post: 11-26-2016, 11:02 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •