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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Julio always likes to respond to a non related detail to the overall point.

    Which was, the leftist mob will not tolerate unapproved speech. And they went so far a doxing a child and harassing and threatening the child.

    And julio will sit by and cheer them on
    My perspective is that I expect a certain standard of factual accuracy from Mr. Facts and Data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Not as such. I’m just noticing that phrasing it that way seems awfully emotionally charged. Seems like something sturg is pretty often complaining about. I think that he’s also usually dead wrong on what’s satire and what isn’t, but in this case I think he’s right. I think it’s an open question as to whether it’s appropriate to use a kid that way, but that’s not an ideological question.

    The larger question of online harassment, doxxing, death threats, etc, is the same for everyone, and I dispute the characterization that it’s somehow a one-sided phenomenon.
    I think for the most part its pretty one sided and was absolutely started by the left (going after advertisers). Now unfortunately everyonr has adopted these awful tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    My perspective is that I expect a certain standard of factual accuracy from Mr. Facts and Data.
    Well good. Nothing I said was factually wrong.

    And rather than say, "wow what a ****ty thing for my tolerant friends to.do."

    Its "but but but the kid is not ACTUALLY the one behind the parody, probably!!! So doxing is fine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I think for the most part its pretty one sided and was absolutely started by the left (going after advertisers). Now unfortunately everyonr has adopted these awful tactics.
    Of course.

    It's a race to the bottom and the right will fight back with their own anti speech solutions.

    For years our socialist friends dismiss the social speech censorship as it is technically legal.

    And predictably, we have a republican trying to pass legislation to limit internet speech to combat this, and a democrat threatening to prosecute people for mocking her online.

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    My perspective, continued, is that I notice a certain asymmetry in what you post about people getting harassed online, silenced, etc. To say nothing of being physically attacked or threatened, et al. If your point is a philosophical one about speech and not partisan, I wonder why you only ever seem to find one type of objectionable case?

    How about this one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Well good. Nothing I said was factually wrong.

    And rather than say, "wow what a ****ty thing for my tolerant friends to.do."

    Its "but but but the kid is not ACTUALLY the one behind the parody, probably!!! So doxing is fine"
    How about cement milkshakes & brain hemorrhages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Are you thinking she would detain people endlessly as policy or throw a nationalistic bash on the 4th with tanks etc that would rival any May Day of Soviet history ?

    Just like Obama did
    Detaining people endlessly has been a time honored Presidential tradition. Lincoln suspended the writ of habeus corpus and FDR put Japanese Americans into camps. You've had enemy combatants in Guantanamo stretching across three presidencies. Not saying this is okay, just saying it's something Presidents have been doing for centuries. It's a known threat.

    As for the parade, that's exactly what I'm talking about. If Trump wants to do that, go right ahead. It's silly and a waste of money but I'll take silly and a waste of money over insidious growth of executive power.

    All I'm saying is that it's an ambitious president who is competent enough to rapidly expand executive power that scares me. The growth of the executive branch is an existential threat to our system of government. Parades don't scare me. Legislating through executive order does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Well good. Nothing I said was factually wrong.

    And rather than say, "wow what a ****ty thing for my tolerant friends to.do."

    Its "but but but the kid is not ACTUALLY the one behind the parody, probably!!! So doxing is fine"
    Ok, if those are “my friends”, who are your friends? Proud Boys? The Traditionalist Workers Party? The League of the South?

    If you read my response to thethe, you’ll see that I think you’re right about doxxing this account. I’m just wondering why, as always, you present yourself as a defender of free speech, not as an ideological warrior, yet you only seem to post about one side of the political spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    How about cement milkshakes & brain hemorrhages?
    Since I didnt inspect the milkshakes myself, I went by the report of the Portland Police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    My perspective, continued, is that I notice a certain asymmetry in what you post about people getting harassed online, silenced, etc. To say nothing of being physically attacked or threatened, et al. If your point is a philosophical one about speech and not partisan, I wonder why you only ever seem to find one type of objectionable case?

    How about this one?

    The main reason you dont see this from me is I'm completely unaware of it.

    Its shameful and disgusting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Ok, if those are “my friends”, who are your friends? Proud Boys? The Traditionalist Workers Party? The League of the South?

    If you read my response to thethe, you’ll see that I think you’re right about doxxing this account. I’m just wondering why, as always, you present yourself as a defender of free speech, not as an ideological warrior, yet you only seem to post about one side of the political spectrum.
    Ahh yes I was wondering when the "you must be a nazi" accusation would come out

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Detaining people endlessly has been a time honored Presidential tradition. Lincoln suspended the writ of habeus corpus and FDR put Japanese Americans into camps. You've had enemy combatants in Guantanamo stretching across three presidencies. Not saying this is okay, just saying it's something Presidents have been doing for centuries. It's a known threat.

    As for the parade, that's exactly what I'm talking about. If Trump wants to do that, go right ahead. It's silly and a waste of money but I'll take silly and a waste of money over insidious growth of executive power.

    All I'm saying is that it's an ambitious president who is competent enough to rapidly expand executive power that scares me. The growth of the executive branch is an existential threat to our system of government. Parades don't scare me. Legislating through executive order does.
    Those were in times of war. Civil,II and MidEast Adventure
    We could argue the rights and wrongs . Arguing devils advocate I am sure we can both see the reasoning . As flawed as it is

    These are migrants --- asylum seekers.
    Not enemy combatants or those that could be suspected as sympathizers of the other side
    No, there is no precedence for this.
    And please dont with the Obama deported ...
    Like I said and hopefully you agree, there is no precedence for this

    What evidence do you have that a POTUS Clinton II would expand the Executive ?
    I really wish she'd go away just so we could quit hearing about all the things she "might" do

    Recall it was the Kennedy's before the Clintons.
    and before them the Rooooosevelts

    Lets talk about an immigration policy that has no need for these detentions. And hopefully alleviates the horrors of the Central American drug wars
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Those were in times of war. Civil,II and MidEast Adventure
    We could argue the rights and wrongs . Arguing devils advocate I am sure we can both see the reasoning . As flawed as it is

    These are migrants --- asylum seekers.
    Not enemy combatants or those that could be suspected as sympathizers of the other side
    No, there is no precedence for this.
    And please dont with the Obama deported ...
    Like I said and hopefully you agree, there is no precedence for this

    What evidence do you have that a POTUS Clinton II would expand the Executive ?
    I really wish she'd go away just so we could quit hearing about all the things she "might" do

    Recall it was the Kennedy's before the Clintons.
    and before them the Rooooosevelts

    Lets talk about an immigration policy that has no need for these detentions. And hopefully alleviates the horrors of the Central American drug wars
    I would argue that war time shouldn't change the government's ability to lock you up indefinitely without trial. It's how well we stick to our principles in the difficult times that shows how important we consider them. That being said, this is more of a tangent.

    The evidence I have that Clinton would expand the executive power is the fact that she's politically competent.

    One constant in Presidents is their expansion of executive power. What the prior President's ceiling was is the new President's floor. It's one of the most predictable things in politics.

    Clinton is a very competent politician. I have zero doubt that she has the political acumen to expand executive power and I see absolutely no reason why she wouldn't continue doing what virtually every president has done.

    I think the reason she's more dangerous in expanding executive power than Trump is simply the fact that she'd be better at it.

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    If HRC was politically competent she wouldn't have lost to a slum lord --- as a Senator she has no bills of note and she more or less inherited the nomination.
    She was twice the front runner in January and blew it both times.
    She was no more competent than Al Gore .
    I likened her to Bush41. But with better hair
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    here you go sturg --- something to get your teeth into..


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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    If HRC was politically competent she wouldn't have lost to a slum lord --- as a Senator she has no bills of note and she more or less inherited the nomination.
    She was twice the front runner in January and blew it both times.
    She was no more competent than Al Gore .
    I likened her to Bush41. But with better hair
    Competent politician and electable are not the same thing.

    Al Gore was an extremely competent politician as well. Both Hillary and Gore suffered from the same fault, a lack of personal charisma. It hurt their campaign efforts but did not prevent them from being extremely competent at knowing how the sausage is made or how to change the sausage making process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    My perspective, continued, is that I notice a certain asymmetry in what you post about people getting harassed online, silenced, etc. To say nothing of being physically attacked or threatened, et al. If your point is a philosophical one about speech and not partisan, I wonder why you only ever seem to find one type of objectionable case?

    How about this one?

    Yes, society has gotten really sad and pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Those were in times of war. Civil,II and MidEast Adventure
    We could argue the rights and wrongs . Arguing devils advocate I am sure we can both see the reasoning . As flawed as it is

    These are migrants --- asylum seekers.
    Not enemy combatants or those that could be suspected as sympathizers of the other side
    No, there is no precedence for this.
    And please dont with the Obama deported ...
    Like I said and hopefully you agree, there is no precedence for this

    What evidence do you have that a POTUS Clinton II would expand the Executive ?
    I really wish she'd go away just so we could quit hearing about all the things she "might" do

    Recall it was the Kennedy's before the Clintons.
    and before them the Rooooosevelts

    Lets talk about an immigration policy that has no need for these detentions. And hopefully alleviates the horrors of the Central American drug wars
    Lol...asylum seekers

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Yes, society has gotten really sad and pathetic.
    I think another meaningful distinction between the two is

    There seems to be a very consistent defense, and frequently support of the actions when leftists invoke this behavior (see the outright Glee over the Ngo assault).

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