For those saying that Bobby's comments about Fredi were strictly political ... don't be 100% convinced.
Jerry Crasnick
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I'm hearing what some other folks have speculated with #braves: Wren wanted Fredi Gonzalez out, and Bobby Cox pushed to keep him.
Braves1976 (09-22-2014)
If that's the case, I understand Bobby's loyalty but he doesn't get the bigger picture.
I will murder someone with my words if that's the case.Originally Posted by Hawk
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Braves1976 (09-22-2014), Hawk (09-22-2014), jpx7 (09-22-2014), Julio3000 (09-22-2014)
Ever.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Braves1976 (09-22-2014), Hawk (09-22-2014), Julio3000 (09-22-2014)
Ugh
The Atlanta Braves signed Nick Markakis for 4/45 - Never forget 12/3/2014
"Klay Thompson > James Harden" - Heyward
"Chris Bosh is the MVP of the Miami Heat" - Heyward
"Hibbert is better than Dwight Howard"- Heyward
"Steven Adams will be a top 10 center in two years - thethe
Wren is the bigger picture. Bobby may not understand the whole picture, but I can't believe some can't see the issues with Wren. Don't get me wrong. Fredi should go as well.
Seems like somebody retired about two seasons ago.
What was his name? Leonard or Lester or ... something with Ls and Rs that you could really hear New Yorkers chanting derisively.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Dalyn (09-22-2014)
Somebody's auditioning for a front-office role.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Chopper? Isn't that what Chip called him? Chopper 't Chipper or something like that.
That's not what I'm talking about. It is impossible to defend Fredi objectively at this point. Wren needed to go but Fredi needs to more.
I always assumed that was a mumbled pet-name for the razor-blade Chip used for [... you know where this was going].
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Dumping Wren before Fredi was the right move. Fredi makes lots of bad moves, but a bad manager can't do nearly as much damage to an organization as a bad GM can (see Ruben Amaro). Wren wasn't as bad as Rube, but he consistently tied up a quarter of our payroll in replacement level players and our farm system has gotten worse under his reign as well.
I have no trouble with both of them being gone, but the way things came crashing down this year, I find it difficult to argue that Wren should maintain his position. Fredi has managed poorly and we didn't have much luck on the injury front, especially with the pitching staff, but just like with players, I'd rather make a move on a GM a year early than a year late.
You could've gone with the subtle birds and really nailed that one.
Julio3000 (09-22-2014)
Yes, that is better.You could've gone with the subtle birds and really nailed that one.
But there's an editorial message in jubilant Fredi, plus bonus Bowman.
Well, that's what his mom calls it, anyway.
Dalyn (09-22-2014)
That's true.
Anyone know where I can find the full press conference?
And if there really was an organizational rift thanks to Wren, then I'm okay with his departure. I really don't think he did a poor job in his stint as GM though.
Wren is responsible for the product on the field. This was the right call, Fredi probably will be gone after the season. I'm guessing the Braves want a clean slate going into next year.
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