Guess the penalty

[50PoundHead]

I just can't imagine this happening. Because Maitan unlike the Sox prospects got paid. He got 5M that we know of as well some form of residuals most likely if he's being involved in this investigation. To make him a free agent so another tema can pay him 5M doesn't make even the slightest sense because then he makes out and agents will then just start trying to convince teams of new shady ways to do things so if they get caught they get a huge payday.

MLB can do what it wants, but it seems to me by declaring Maitan a free agent, they'd be penalizing the Braves for misbehavior and then allowing 29 other teams to potentially misbehave. I'm sure they have a process in mind, but how would a Maitan signing be handled vis-a-vis international spending limits. Would any contract he sign be counted against the 2018 cap or would someone be able to blow out their 2017 cap? If it's the former, fine. If it's the latter, be prepared for a mudbath.

[thethe]

Might not hear anything until tomorrow apparently.

[striker42]

According to DOB, he said the Braves people he's talked to seem kind of resigned that they're going to lose Maitan because of how much of the investigation seemed to center around his signing.

Almost sounds to me like MLB wants to declare Maitan a FA to send a message and so were zeroed in on him to try to figure out if there was a basis to achieve that. Because from everything else that was reported, it was the bundling that was the really bad violation. But no one we signed this June would make a particularly effective deterrent.

[tululush]

According to DOB, he said the Braves people he's talked to seem kind of resigned that they're going to lose Maitan because of how much of the investigation seemed to center around his signing.

Almost sounds to me like MLB wants to declare Maitan a FA to send a message and so were zeroed in on him to try to figure out if there was a basis to achieve that. Because from everything else that was reported, it was the bundling that was the really bad violation. But no one we signed this June would make a particularly effective deterrent.

If we do lose him, what are the odds we re-sign him? And for how much?

[striker42]

If we do lose him, what are the odds we re-sign him? And for how much?

My guess would be about 0. I can't imagine we'd be allowed to re-sign him.

[50PoundHead]

My guess would be about 0. I can't imagine we'd be allowed to re-sign him.

Do we get his bonus money back? If his signing is voided, the least MLB could do would be to spread the amount of his contract over the next three or four years and add it to the Braves' pool number. If Maitan is a free agent, hello big market team.

[Enscheff]

One thing is for sure, the tone of the next Maitan article written by Bowman will depend on whether or not the Braves keep him.

If they keep him the article will be, “Maitan is primed to bounce back after a difficult transition year”.

If they lose him it will be, “Maitan wasn’t really that great, and Coppy was stupid for giving him $4M anyways”.

After either article comes out, tehteh will jump in to tell us how either scenario is great news for the Braves future. I suspect the spin on the “lose Maitan” article will be something along the lines of lowering the pressure on Riley so he can flourish at 3b.

[thethe]

My guess would be about 0. I can't imagine we'd be allowed to re-sign him.

What a disaster. Losing maitan will be a big blow. It's not often the braves are able to lock up a generational talent

[striker42]

Do we get his bonus money back? If his signing is voided, the least MLB could do would be to spread the amount of his contract over the next three or four years and add it to the Braves' pool number. If Maitan is a free agent, hello big market team.

I think it's already been reported that we wouldn't get the money back. And I can't imagine MLB doing anything to soften the blow. If they're voiding Maitan's contract then they're dead set on making this as painful for the Braves as possible and going as overboard as they can.

[tululush]

I think it's already been reported that we wouldn't get the money back. And I can't imagine MLB doing anything to soften the blow. If they're voiding Maitan's contract then they're dead set on making this as painful for the Braves as possible and going as overboard as they can.

What's even more ridiculous is the fact that they'd declare him a FA, and possibly let Maitan keep his signing bonus, and then let him double dip and sign again elsewhere. It's been mentioned numerous times in this thread, but this would allow some agents to manipulate the system, have a contract voided, and then have their client sign again and double down.

[chop2chip]

Well the only thing worse than taking Maitan away from the Braves is taking $5M from a 17 year old kid who inostensibly did nothing wrong.

Maitan is keeping that money.

[CJ9]

Bowman:

"MLB will likely announce the findings of its Braves investigation within the next two days. Penalties could include fines, international market restrictions and the loss of international prospects (Maitan remains a strong possibility)."

Interesting that he has removed the draft picks possibility from his list of punishments. Great news.

[drewdat]

So I got a personal response from Rob Manfred, basically asking him to consider the Braves fans and not punish us for the actions of a few. I knew it wouldn't make any difference, but honored to actually hear back from him personally:

"Dane,

I'm going in dry.

Rob Manfred"

Doesn't give us any insight into what is coming down the pipe, but nice of him to take the time.

I'll enjoy watching this be the last time they enforce any kind of signing rules.

[Horsehide Harry]

What's being overlooked here is that the Maitan signing is the major reason why the Braves were already J2 restricted. His bonus already cost the Braves the penalty dollars for going over AND has already cost the Braves 1 (of 2) year of not being able to sign a player for more than $300K.

Taking Maitan would cost the Braves: his bonus ($4.5M), the already paid tax associated with the over signing (~$4.5M), the loss of prospects that could have been signed in summer of 2017, plus whatever fines the Braves get associated with the penalty.

[50PoundHead]

What's being overlooked here is that the Maitan signing is the major reason why the Braves were already J2 restricted. His bonus already cost the Braves the penalty dollars for going over AND has already cost the Braves 1 (of 2) year of not being able to sign a player for more than $300K.

Taking Maitan would cost the Braves: his bonus ($4.5M), the already paid tax associated with the over signing (~$4.5M), the loss of prospects that could have been signed in summer of 2017, plus whatever fines the Braves get associated with the penalty.

Does anyone know right off hand how far the Braves exceeded their cap in 2016. I understand the Braves are going to be punished, but if one subtracts Maitan's bonus and that would have put us under the cap, we should somehow have the ability to utilize that money in the future. I'm no Pollyanna and if we would have exceeded the cap without adding in Maitan's bonus, it's a moot point. But somehow if Maitan is made a free agent, we get as HH said, a triple whammy in the past, present, and future.

[zitothebrave]

I'm no Pollyanna

I don't wnat to derail this thread too much. But **** pollyanna, I want to punch her in her fictional face.

[50PoundHead]

I don't wnat to derail this thread too much. But **** pollyanna, I want to punch her in her fictional face.

Don't punch your screen too hard!

[Knucksie]

What's the deal with the sour grapes statements about Maitan?

[50PoundHead]

What's the deal with the sour grapes statements about Maitan?

Where are you seeing those?

[Knucksie]

Where are you seeing those?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...s-swihart.html


Scroll down to the section on Braves update. "Not worth the money or the hype."