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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    that is kinda the point-- we dont know because all we have is rumors and propaganda
    There is only one piece and that is their word. You know this. NOw we are back to the concept of mere allegation is enough to force guilt on a person.

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    At this point the issue is lying under oath.
    Numerous times. And not just about Prof Ford or Ms Rameriz

    And if someone could explain the debts that disappeared and the circumstances under which Justice Kennedy retired
    that would go a long way

    Remind where in the Mueller report it said " no collusion"
    because the record tells a different story


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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    There is only one piece and that is their word. You know this. NOw we are back to the concept of mere allegation is enough to force guilt on a person.
    no one is forcing guilt. the accusations sssss deserve to be heard.

    Realizing you are not one fanmiliar with gender inequality it might be wise when discussing BK to read up on how rape accusations /sexual harrasssment is treated
    where the accuser is more often than not put on trial and the accused smirks his/her way off stage.
    Why anyone would come forward is a) beyond me and b) deserving of praises for bravery
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    There is no way a person with this kind of potential baggage should even be considered for the Supreme Court. Whether he's a liar or used to be a party animal who treated girls like sex props with his frat buddies aside, this is not the kind of person who should be on the highest court in the land. Were there really no better candidates than this guy?
    Cool. Glad Obama being a coke head should have disqualified him from Presidency.

    I love that the left is now assessing teenage actions for lifetime behavior

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Cool. Glad Obama being a coke head should have disqualified him from Presidency.

    I love that the left is now assessing teenage actions for lifetime behavior
    Actually, a reasonable case can be made for excusing gross behavior as teens. We've all been there. But lying under oath as a nominee for the Supreme Court? I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Actually, a reasonable case can be made for excusing gross behavior as teens. We've all been there. But lying under oath as a nominee for the Supreme Court? I don't think so.
    If you have any proof of his lying you should probably alert the press

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    This is the first time I have heard of this logic :

    Howard Dean
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    Actually the Supreme Court is NOT for life. The Constitution says the federal bench is for life.

    Which means Supreme Court Justices can be rotated off onto district courts.

    Since two of them were put on illegitimately, that is important to know.

    .....................

    putting Kavanaugh and his issues aside, this is interesting

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    Article 3 does not set a term of service. The only limitation is that judges hold office

    during “good behavior.” It does not specifically state they hold office for life,

    nor does it state anything about moving a Supreme Court Justice to an inferior tribunal.


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    Correct, Congress has just never finished its job of setting term limits.

    We need to Amend the Judiciary Act- set terms, and retro them!!
    Don't get your hopes up about congress being able to rotate SCOTUS justices off. The analysis there is wrong. The Constitution says that judges of the SCOTUS and inferior federal courts shall "hold their offices during good behavior." A seat on the SCOTUS is an office. To move a SCOTUS judge to a lower court would be removing that judge from that office.

    As for the Constitution not setting a term, that's important. It shows no definite term was intended. The only limitations set by the Constitution are "good behavior" and the impeachment power of civil officers given to Congress. All this together indicates lifetime appointments with impeachment for "bad behavior".

    There's also the fact that in over 200 years of our country's existence, the overwhelming understanding is that federal judges are appointed for life and cannot be removed except by impeachment. The whole point of the federal judiciary is to have a branch of government more distant from the whims of the masses and so able to take a longer view of things.

    If Congress set term limits, they would likely be struck down. If they were able to set them, there would be no way they'd be allowed to apply them retroactively.

    Finally, it's the courts themselves that would be determining the constitutionality of any law attempting to change court tenure. The Courts are not going to cede power like that.

    Federal judges are for life. Might as well come to terms with that and stop living in a pipe dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    If you have any proof of his lying you should probably alert the press
    no need to...there is plenty out there on that...I cited as examples his testimony under oath that devils triangle is a drinking game and that boofing refers to farting
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    no need to...there is plenty out there on that...I cited as examples his testimony under oath that devils triangle is a drinking game and that boofing refers to farting
    Your proof is how kids 40 years ago applied innuendo terms? And of course, that teenagers wouldnt lie to their friends to sound cool?

    That's great proof. I cant imagine why he hasn't been impeached yet.

    YMMV

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    I noticed nobody ever commented when Ford's lawyer said that Ford was politically motivated to come forward.

    As a guy who hated the BK pick for his constitutional record, I thought it was absolutely critical he get confirmed as not doing so would start a precedent like no other.

    Thankfully, less emotional heads prevailed

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Your proof is how kids 40 years ago applied innuendo terms? And of course, that teenagers wouldnt lie to their friends to sound cool?

    That's great proof. I cant imagine why he hasn't been impeached yet.

    YMMV
    no need to exaggerate...it wasn't 40 years ago...and we both know he lied under oath...he was embarrassed...in which case he should have withdrawn his nomination rather than lie
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    They should have asked him how man sexual partners hes had and his freakiest sex positions in front of his wife and kid.

    And then we could have assumed he was lying and should have impeached him!

    Missed opportunity for the Dems

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    Thanks striker for your explanation but you did miss the caveat of setting BK issues aside. I had forgotten hearing Yang propose 18 year terms on CSPAN --- I wonder why not ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I noticed nobody ever commented when Ford's lawyer said that Ford was politically motivated to come forward.

    As a guy who hated the BK pick for his constitutional record, I thought it was absolutely critical he get confirmed as not doing so would start a precedent like no other.

    Thankfully, less emotional heads prevailed
    the precedent was set as soon as the concept of power was realized.
    Less emotional heads ? who, Grassley
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Thanks striker for your explanation but you did miss the caveat of setting BK issues aside. I had forgotten hearing Yang propose 18 year terms on CSPAN --- I wonder why not ?
    My analysis wasn't related to BK stuff.

    There are plenty of proposals for term limits and plenty of people who would support term limits for federal judges. The problem is it would likely take a constitutional amendment to make it happen. The lifetime appointment of federal judges is pretty much a settled issue and this point, constitutionally speaking.

    I think there are other reforms I'd make the court before term limits to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    They should have asked him how man sexual partners hes had and his freakiest sex positions in front of his wife and kid.

    And then we could have assumed he was lying and should have impeached him!

    Missed opportunity for the Dems
    Given that community standards dictate the definition of pornography, anything Kavanaugh would have said to Congress regarding his proclivities (provided he has any) would not have been judged pornographic.

    Seriously, McConnell warned Trump that Kavanaugh may have some issues that would lead to a rockier road to confirmation than some of the other judges on the short list and more of that may be coming out. But he's there and I wouldn't waste a ton of effort trying to remove him if I were the Dems. Heck, Scalia went on hunting trips with Dick Cheney and that, to me, raises more red flags than Kavanaugh's behavior as an adolescent. I'm not minimizing the damage those actions may have caused, but continually dredging up stuff from people's youth really doesn't serve the country well in the long run. I admit the lying under oath is a different kettle of fish and I thought Kavanaugh's performance during the hearings on his confirmation was pretty deplorable (and that's not to say that some of the committee members were any better), but he's not going anywhere.
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    I dont get "continually dredging things up" --- this is a book published by 2 independent investigative reporters. Who picked up the ball the Senate Judiciary dropped.
    The woman Molly quoted above put out a book praising the selection of BK. Is that too "dredging" ?

    My money says the Senate flips, he is going somewhere
    Accountability anyone
    What is more concerning is before the allegations the unveiling of his lying to Congress in 2006

    There is a woman in Texas that got 5 years for falsifying forms to get her kid in a better school
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I dont get "continually dredging things up" --- this is a book published by 2 independent investigative reporters. Who picked up the ball the Senate Judiciary dropped.
    The woman Molly quoted above put out a book praising the selection of BK. Is that too "dredging" ?

    My money says the Senate flips, he is going somewhere
    Accountability anyone
    What is more concerning is before the allegations the unveiling of his lying to Congress in 2006

    There is a woman in Texas that got 5 years for falsifying forms to get her kid in a better school
    What's the new allegation?

    That a woman had a penis put in her hand... oh, and by the way, that woman denies it happening

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    I was referring to Dr Ford Sept '18
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I don't think he raped anyone, which is why he was on stage.

    If you want to say it's unlikely that he blacked out or never puked from alcohol, that's all a matter of extreme subjectivity. For example, I drank my face off in college but never blacked out. I also never puked the night of... but every now and then would puke the next day during a hangover.

    Now... there I go again, answering your question directly without you providing the same courtesy.

    So your turn... do you think he ran the gang rape ring? Do you think he raped Ford? Do you think he shoved his dick in Ramirez's face? Why do you think the NYT omitted that minor detail from their reporting?

    If the answer to any of the first 3 questions is yes, I'd have to ask why? Since you're part of the party of the science, after all...
    To answer your question, I do think he assaulted Ford, I find the Ramirez accusation and its contemporaneous corroboration credible, and no,I do not think he ran rape rings.

    Why? First, because a victim statements are evidence, and any passing familiarity with the dynamic of unreported sexual assaults should be able to understand why something like this may stay buried for years. I found Blasey-Ford a credible witness, and Kavanaugh the opposite. His numerous evasions and lies about his habits were simply not credible, and there’s a good case to be made that he lied his ass off about his tenure in the Bush WH. So, all in all, not a guy whom I’m automatically going to take at his word, considering that we’re not talking about courtroom standards of evidence here.

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