Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

[thethe]

A better direct analogue may be the Bret Baier story right before the election about imminent HRC indictments.

There should have been indictments for the crimes that she committed but well you know the investigation was handled with delicate hands.

[thethe]

The President's tweet yesterday seemed to indicate that he was aware that Flynn had lied to the FBI when he asked Comey to let it go.

Then we hear that, supposedly, one of his lawyers drafted the tweet (typos and all).

IMO they are going to fight like hell to undermine and kill the Mueller investigation because there is no way this guy is going to be able to handle it.

If (big ig) there is absolutely no collusion then a simple procedural crime does nothing but negatively impact the administration and as an extension the government. If it was only meetings after the election then the lie has no real impact to any americans but a long drawn out investigation has certainly impacted the country.

[mqt]

Yeah - Holding these types of strong views in our highly charged political environment doesn't impair the integrity of one of the most important investigations in our nations history. Nothing at all to see here.

The type of highly qualified and intelligent people needed for such investigations would seem to be more likely to have opinions on political races. I'm sure there are Pro-Trump people at the FBI as well. Regardless, the dude was removed from Mueller's task force when they determined he might have a bias against Trump, so yay Mueller?

[thethe]

The type of highly qualified and intelligent people needed for such investigations would seem to be more likely to have opinions on political races. I'm sure there are Pro-Trump people at the FBI as well. Regardless, the dude was removed from Mueller's task force when they determined he might have a bias against Trump, so yay Mueller?

This goes back to the Clinton investigation which was impacted by these partisan hacks. So if Muellers action proved that these views are not consistent with a fair investigation then what impact did it have on the Clinton invesitgation which clearly was 'shady' at best.

[mqt]

There should have been indictments for the crimes that she committed but well you know the investigation was handled with delicate hands.

That's not the point? Do you think Baier should have received a similar punishment and that Fox should have been sued for damages for that inaccurate report?

[thethe]

That's not the point? Do you think Baier should have received a similar punishment and that Fox should have been sued for damages for that inaccurate report?

Can you evaluate a real impact that it had to Americans as clear as a 1.5% drop of the stock market within a hour of the release?

[Hawk]

The type of highly qualified and intelligent people needed for such investigations would seem to be more likely to have opinions on political races.

This logic is ... bemusing.

“Lookit, these people did incredibly stupid things because they are incredibly smart. Plus all smart people get to completely trample over codes of professional conduct because, well, we all have opinions.”

[57Brave]

There should have been indictments for the crimes that she committed ...

But there weren't

Things happen. And what happened was there weren't indictments.

Do you understand the indictment process ?
Do you understand the Grand Jury process ?

[thethe]

This logic is ... bemusing.

“Lookit, these people did incredibly stupid things because they are incredibly smart. Plus all smart people get to completely trample over codes of professional conduct because, well, we all have opinions.”

Anything to explain away the clear and obvious bias that the media/deep state has against conservatives/republicans. Its astonishing what the left is turning a blind eye to right now.

[mqt]

This logic is ... bemusing.

“Lookit, these people did incredibly stupid things because they are incredibly smart. Plus all smart people get to completely trample over codes of professional conduct because, well, we all have opinions.”

I guess I should have said educated? I recognize the flaw there, but do you really doubt that the Venn Diagram of people who become top investigators in the FBI and people who closely follow politics overlaps pretty strongly?

[thethe]

But there weren't

Things happen. And what happened was there weren't indictments.

Do you understand the indictment process ?
Do you understand the Grand Jury process ?

When you have avid supporters running the investigation well then you get away with things like deleting e-mails after a subpoena.

[Hawk]

Also, a point of clarification, the Baier indictment story involved the Clinton Foundation not the candidate. Obviously, certain elements ran with that baton of inference, but still.

[Hawk]

I guess I should have said educated? I recognize the flaw there, but do you really doubt that the Venn Diagram of people who become top investigators in the FBI and people who closely follow politics overlaps pretty strongly?

Sure, but I think that most of those people would also recognize the conflict of interest represented by taking a pronounced political stance on a matter that they happened to be investigating. I understand your contention is that all of this was pillow talk, but if anyone should have truly known better it would be the lawyer and a freaking cointel official.

[mqt]

Sure, but I think that most of those people would also recognize the conflict of interest represented by taking a pronounced political stance on a matter that they happened to be investigating. I understand your contention is that all of this was pillow talk, but if anyone should have truly known better it would be the lawyer and a freaking cointel official.

Sure, they should have known better, but it's a pretty drastic leap to go from that to suggesting the entire investigation is tainted.

[57Brave]

When you have avid supporters running the investigation well then you get away with things like deleting e-mails after a subpoena.

Robert Mueller is not avid supporter

even if he was, he could present to the Grand Jury --- that would not turn into an indictment --- why there is a Grand Jury process to avoid the conflict of interest you suggest

[Hawk]

Sure, they should have known better, but it's a pretty drastic leap to go from that to suggesting the entire investigation is tainted.

In all fairness, the internal investigation on the matter hasn’t concluded, so it would be premature to say one way or the other.

Taint is taint though. Does it destroy the underpinnings of the probe? No. Does it allow outsiders to rightfully question the integrity of the players/personnel involved? Absolutely.

[thethe]

Robert Mueller is not avid supporter

even if he was, he could present to the Grand Jury --- that would not turn into an indictment --- why there is a Grand Jury process to avoid the conflict of interest you suggest

Mueller wasn't the one who led the Clinton e-mail investigation. But what we've learned is that a very senior official, apparently the direct report to McCabe, was an avid supporter. Makes sense given the things HRC was able to get away with.

[thethe]

Sure, they should have known better, but it's a pretty drastic leap to go from that to suggesting the entire investigation is tainted.

Even if you don't believe the investigation is tainted where do you think all these leaks came from in the past 18 months? Trump supporters within the FBI?

[57Brave]

Mueller wasn't the one who led the Clinton e-mail investigation. But what we've learned is that a very senior official, apparently the direct report to McCabe, was an avid supporter. Makes sense given the things HRC was able to get away with.

I stand corrected on Mueller.

Was there evidence that warranted a Grand Jury investigation ?
Then or now ?

Why hasn't the Trump DOJ sought Grand Jury ?

[thethe]

I stand corrected on Mueller.

Was there evidence that warranted a Grand Jury investigation ?
Then or now ?

Why hasn't the Trump DOJ sought Grand Jury ?

Because the Russia collusion investigation is taking precedent over everything and quite frankly it should because its a much more serious allegation. I want to know if Trump colluded with Russia as does everyone in the country. However, if it comes out there is no evidence of collusion and the Mueller investigation is completed then you better expect lots more splinter investigations to come out. Obama/HRC better hope that evidence of collusion exists.