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    I was thinking if we took back say Prado and maybe Tazawa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I was thinking if we took back say Prado and maybe Tazawa.
    That would knock Yelich’s value down to about $100M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Allard, Anderson, Pache and Wentz is nowhere near enough to get Yelich. It’s ridiculous when folks bundle some guys they don’t mind losing and think that package will get an insanely valuable player in return.

    Yelich has upwards of $120M in surplus value. Those 4 guys are a bit over half that.

    Approximate value of the Braves prospects not named Albies or Acuna:

    Wright $35M
    Gohara $35M
    Allard $25M
    Soroka $25M
    Anderson $20M
    Fried $20M
    Pache $20M
    Riley $15M
    Wentz $15M

    Add them up however you want, but a Yelich trade starts with Wright or Gohara, and then includes another 3-4 guys off that list. Then add a couple filler pieces outside the Braves Top 10. That trade would basically force the Braves window closed within 5-6 years. In fact, they may not even be interested if Acuna isn’t in the deal.

    The Braves best chance at acquiring Yelich almost certainly involves taking bad contracts to bring that surplus value down a bit (or a lot).
    I think we are pretty much in agreement on this. There are a couple of bad contracts we wouldn't mind having... and we might have to take one more that we would prefer not to, but most of these ideas we are talking about assume a bad contract or two coming back.

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    Crasnick: The #Braves are in the market for a third baseman, but they're only looking for a one-year bridge to prospect Austin Riley, who slashed .315/.389/.511 in 48 games with Double-A Mississippi at age 20. They think he'll be ready to go in 2019.

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    Enscheff, you’re famous lol.

    From the braves reddit page: “The way to make it happen fairly cheaply (prospect wise) would be to take on some bad contracts. On another board there was a suggestion that we trade Newk, Riley, and filler for Yelich, Tazawa, Chen, and Prado. That would be extremely expensive in terms of the contracts we would be taking on, but honestly I could see the prospect load being even lighter than that if we were willing to take on all four of those guys. Otherwise, the prospect cost would almost definitely not be worth it. It would cost over 100 million in surplus value, something that I am definitely not willing to pay in prospects”

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    Bryan Shaw close to a deal with an undisclosed team, no team announced yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    That's a Harry special for sure, but AA has done trades like that before.

    That trade "fills" LF, 3B, BP and SP in one fell swoop, though the quality of those additions are pretty bad.

    Tazawa goes away after 2018, at which point Chen bumps up to $20M from $10M this year. Prado goes away after 2019. Chen goes away after 2020, right when guys like Swanson and Albies start getting expensive.

    The jewel is obviously Yelich, who is extremely valuable. If AA wants a good defensive OF, he can't do much better than Yelich/Inciarte/Acuna.

    It would be selling high on Riley, in my opinion. Maybe the Marlins are dumb enough to still dream on Newk.

    I wouldn't include guys like Wright/Soroka/Allard in that deal though. Well, maybe Allard, but I'm the low man on him around here.
    I've been saying that the Marlins are a wounded animal for a while. I think a creative approach by someone willing to take some chances with money could reap a big benefit. Ask the Yankees.

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    Shaw to Rockies.

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    Addison Reed to Phillies for three years

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    Punt 2018 by design or stand by and watch it punted for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    Crasnick: The #Braves are in the market for a third baseman, but they're only looking for a one-year bridge to prospect Austin Riley, who slashed .315/.389/.511 in 48 games with Double-A Mississippi at age 20. They think he'll be ready to go in 2019.
    So what are the potential 1 year guys at 3b? Headley and ???

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    Solarte has one more year and two team options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    Addison Reed to Phillies for three years
    Phils actually signed Hunter.

    That means the 3 BP arms I identified as my Top 3 choices for the Braves (Morrow, Neshek, Hunter) were the first BP arms to sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    So what are the potential 1 year guys at 3b? Headley and ???
    Maybe Nunez to pair with Camargo or maybe Cozart to play some short and third. Maybe even Prado if the Marlins pay enough on his deal to make it happen or if he's included in a larger trade.
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    I'm all in on Yelich. He would be the perfect addition for us. AA needs to go for it unless the cost is just absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    Addison Reed to Phillies for three years
    Not yet - they did sign Hunter though. Certainly lessening the $5 million to $7 million options pretty quickly at this rate. Only good thing about that is it could eventually drive the numbers to sign Davis or Holland down if they're left unsigned when the game of musical chairs abruptly stops - always a danger when Borass is your agent and he pushes the issue as far as he does sometimes. I was almost sick when Greg hired him last year - there's a fine line between enough being enough and having to gamble on yourself on another pillow deal, especially when you've already blown your elbow out once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Maybe Nunez to pair with Camargo or maybe Cozart to play some short and third. Maybe even Prado if the Marlins pay enough on his deal to make it happen or if he's included in a larger trade.
    No way Cozart only gets one year IMO - regardless of where he signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    So what are the potential 1 year guys at 3b? Headley and ???
    Beltre, Dozier, Donaldson, LeMahieu are all trade targets with 1 year remaining. LeMahieu and Dozier haven't played 3b exclusively in awhile, but both do have experience there.

    FA options look like Yunel, Neil Walker, may be a Dat Dude return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Beltre, Dozier, Donaldson, LeMahieu are all trade targets with 1 year remaining. LeMahieu and Dozier haven't played 3b exclusively in awhile, but both do have experience there.

    FA options look like Yunel, Neil Walker, may be a Dat Dude return.

    Blasphemy around these parts - but if we spend a big chunk of the "assumed money" elsewhere, what you get out of a Phillips/Camargo platoon might be interesting for one year on the cheap, plus you certainly wouldn't need another IF with all the interchangeable guys (Albies, Dansby, Camargo, Dat Dude).

    If you really do believe in Riley and could put a good enough package together for Yelich without including Austin or Wright and spent the money you have on a Darvish/Arrieta/Cobb your 2019 rotation could be Darvish/Arrieta/Cobb, Gohara, Julio (if not traded), Folty, Wright with Yelich in LF and Riley at 3B. If you HAD to use both Soroka and Allard to get Yelich you'd still have Newcomb and Fried to serve as your #5 if Julio were traded.

    Of course if the earlier mentioned values were close and you traded Soroka, Allard, Pache, and Wentz and take on the rest of Prado's money for Yelich you'd inch awfully close to that $120 million worth of "surplus value" that was mentioned too. Prado's 2019 salary wouldn't really get in the way since Markakis will be off the books.
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