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    Quote Originally Posted by FreemanFan View Post
    if we lose, it's partly the replay scumpires' fault, but Snit is an idiot for bringing in Viz. He should only pitch in blowouts.
    https://twitter.com/DOBrienAJC/statu...87917706448897

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    It is sad that we had to lose this game partially due to baseball’s stupidity. It’s just one game, but that was an incredibly easy call.

    Also, Viz has done this crap for years and continues to show me need a true closer. I like him, but he’s just way too wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    It is sad that we had to lose this game partially due to baseball’s stupidity. It’s just one game, but that was an incredibly easy call.

    Also, Viz has done this crap for years and continues to show me need a true closer. I like him, but he’s just way too wild.
    Never liked him. 70% of the time (even if he gives up no runs)....it’s a stressful event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    Never liked him. 70% of the time (even if he gives up no runs)....it’s a stressful event.
    I think he's a great bullpen piece, but we need to try Winkler or Minter in the role for a bit. I'd love to get a high-leverage arm via trade or free agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    I think he's a great bullpen piece, but we need to try Winkler or Minter in the role for a bit. I'd love to get a high-leverage arm via trade or free agency.
    Minter scares me as much, if not more, than Viz.

    Only one currently in BP that I'd give an extended look to is Winkler but I'm not sure about his effectiveness vs LHH.

    AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS Avg OBP SLG OPS
    vs. Left 21 3 4 0 1 0 3 2 1 6 0 0 .190 .292 .286 .577
    vs. Right 40 2 3 1 0 0 2 3 0 21 0 0 .075 .140 .100 .240

    Sorry about line up-- it's correct before posting.
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    To be a serious WS contender we’ll have to acquire a legit closer bc we don’t have one on the roster imo.

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    I've said this numerous times regarding college football replays, but it is every bit as valid in baseball.

    You don't need a current or former umpire working the replay booth. Umps/Refs have a natural predisposition towards protecting their own, even more so than cops. The calls that are reviewable are not plays that require an umpire's judgment - anyone with experience in the sport in question can review to see if the play was called correctly. Penalties in football, and balls and strikes in baseball, are not reviewable plays anyway. It doesn't take a skilled umpire to watch a play on video to determine if a tag was made, if a runner beat the ball on a force out, or if a potential home run stayed fair or cleared the yellow line.

    I'd prefer to see retired players, former coaches or managers, or executives making the final judgment on reviewed plays. I guarantee the rate of overturned plays would go up, as would the accuracy of the decisions. Allowing officials to review their own mistakes is like letting convicts be judges for criminal trials.

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    Seems like folks agitate against the way closers are used and then the first time they blow up want to put the next guy they perceive as the best pitcher right back in the same role.

    I can live with Viz closing so long as he is mostly effective. Winkler may be more valuable matching up when he's needed and putting out fires than he would be starting clean innings with leads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    To be a serious WS contender we’ll have to acquire a legit closer bc we don’t have one on the roster imo.
    it also seems we will have to start paying off umps to make the actually correct call. not even just favor us. just make the right call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Seems like folks agitate against the way closers are used and then the first time they blow up want to put the next guy they perceive as the best pitcher right back in the same role.

    I can live with Viz closing so long as he is mostly effective. Winkler may be more valuable matching up when he's needed and putting out fires than he would be starting clean innings with leads.
    atlanta has been fine closing games this year. but viz is still too shaky for me. i'm not sure there's a clear solution, tho. i'd prob give winkler a shot however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    atlanta has been fine closing games this year. but viz is still too shaky for me. i'm not sure there's a clear solution, tho. i'd prob give winkler a shot however.
    I think I need to see more of a collapse before I move Vizcaino out of the role.

    Granted, I predicted he would collapse and lose the role before the season started, but I'm not hoping for that to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think I need to see more of a collapse before I move Vizcaino out of the role.

    Granted, I predicted he would collapse and lose the role before the seasons started, but I'm not hoping for that to happen.
    see, IMO, more collapses are bound to happen. i wouldn't mind a preemptive move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    I think he's a great bullpen piece, but we need to try Winkler or Minter in the role for a bit. I'd love to get a high-leverage arm via trade or free agency.
    Thought it more than a little interesting that Snitker mentioned that he felt he could use Winkler as an option during his press conference after the game.

    Not sure that he or Carle could handle the job long-term, but stranger things have obviously happened. At the very least, I might give one or both a couple shots if it did nothing but send the message to Viz and Minter that if they don't start throwing more quality strikes that they're liable to start finding themselves pitching in the 6th and 7th innings.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    This is pretty much Kimbrel to Atlanta 2019 confirmed. Lol

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    Why do you have to have a set guy? If viz has better numbers vs the upcoming batters, use him. If it's all LHHs, use AJ. You get the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    This is pretty much Kimbrel to Atlanta 2019 confirmed. Lol
    Would love to have him back obviously, but he's making $13m/yr right now. I think Enscheff predicted he'd be at least $15m/yr as a FA. Don't see it happening, but maybe AA and LM figure out a way to get it done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Velocity seems down
    Statcast data confirms Gohara averaged 93.9 with his FA last night.

    Last year he say between 96-98 in 4 out of 5 starts, dropping to around 95 once.

    This year he has sat around 95 and was down another tick last night.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.a...FA&ymin=&ymax=

    It might be time to start maybe considering to get worried.

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    Unless there is accountability in the replay system there is absolutely no reason for the replay umps to do their job correctly. They can still chalk it up to not enough evidence to overturn even when the evidence is overwhelming.

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    For those who missed the botched call at home, here it is. Several slow motion angles. I've even seen some Cub fans say this was BS. https://twitter.com/MLBReplays/statu...70881521475584

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