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    I think the Braves will have to be more flexible with some names that people have already pencilled into the starting lineup for the next ten years, who haven't really done much yet.

    Even some of the guys who might be very good players might not be more valuable than what they can be traded for. I love Albies, I think he could be a very good player. But perhaps an OBP 2B is not the most valuable way the Braves can deploy his value. Perhaps his highest value is in helping acquiring an Ace. Or a power hitter.

    I don't want to trade any of the prospect guys, but sometimes trading value for value is a nice proposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think the Braves will have to be more flexible with some names that people have already pencilled into the starting lineup for the next ten years, who haven't really done much yet.

    Even some of the guys who might be very good players might not be more valuable than what they can be traded for. I love Albies, I think he could be a very good player. But perhaps an OBP 2B is not the most valuable way the Braves can deploy his value. Perhaps his highest value is in helping acquiring an Ace. Or a power hitter.

    I don't want to trade any of the prospect guys, but sometimes trading value for value is a nice proposition.
    I completely agree. I love Albies and would hate to see him go, but you do have to think about the future and your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think the Braves will have to be more flexible with some names that people have already pencilled into the starting lineup for the next ten years, who haven't really done much yet.

    Even some of the guys who might be very good players might not be more valuable than what they can be traded for. I love Albies, I think he could be a very good player. But perhaps an OBP 2B is not the most valuable way the Braves can deploy his value. Perhaps his highest value is in helping acquiring an Ace. Or a power hitter.

    I don't want to trade any of the prospect guys, but sometimes trading value for value is a nice proposition.
    I couldn't agree with this more. Just glad I don't have to make these decisions. I am a prospect hoarder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think the Braves will have to be more flexible with some names that people have already pencilled into the starting lineup for the next ten years, who haven't really done much yet.

    Even some of the guys who might be very good players might not be more valuable than what they can be traded for. I love Albies, I think he could be a very good player. But perhaps an OBP 2B is not the most valuable way the Braves can deploy his value. Perhaps his highest value is in helping acquiring an Ace. Or a power hitter.

    I don't want to trade any of the prospect guys, but sometimes trading value for value is a nice proposition.
    But that's only a potentially good move if Demeritte is capable of approximating Albies' value at 2B. If not, you're just creating one hole to fill another, and given our farm system, the hole at 2B would likely be harder to fill than the hole at SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    But that's only a potentially good move if Demeritte is capable of approximating Albies' value at 2B. If not, you're just creating one hole to fill another, and given our farm system, the hole at 2B would likely be harder to fill than the hole at SP.
    I'm not suggesting trading Albies as he is as close to a sure thing as you can get in a prospect, but we do have a pipeline of 2B options if we chose to go that route.

    Jace, Demeritte, Moore, Camargo, Seymour, Dykstra, and eventually Cruz.

    There's not a lot of star potential there outside of Demeritte and Cruz, but you could play the numbers and the hot hand for the next few years.

    However if you're trading a top 10 prospect it better be for a player of that caliber...someone like a Clint Frazier and I wouldn't even do that straight up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post

    Jace, Demeritte, Moore, Camargo, Seymour, Dykstra, and eventually Cruz.
    I don't think those guys hold a candle to Albies. If Albies ends up like Jose Ramirez, which I think is very possible, then it would be a mistake to trade him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    I don't think those guys hold a candle to Albies. If Albies ends up like Jose Ramirez, which I think is very possible, then it would be a mistake to trade him.
    Oh, I think he can be better than Ramirez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Oh, I think he can be better than Ramirez.
    He can be, sure. But Ramirez was damn good this year, and their overall numbers could be similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think the Braves will have to be more flexible with some names that people have already pencilled into the starting lineup for the next ten years, who haven't really done much yet.

    Even some of the guys who might be very good players might not be more valuable than what they can be traded for. I love Albies, I think he could be a very good player. But perhaps an OBP 2B is not the most valuable way the Braves can deploy his value. Perhaps his highest value is in helping acquiring an Ace. Or a power hitter.

    I don't want to trade any of the prospect guys, but sometimes trading value for value is a nice proposition.

    I have little doubt that some of these guys will be traded, but don't think there's much chance Albies will be one of them unless it's as part of an absolute monster deal. Short of being able to land a Sale/Archer/Quintana-type, I'm relatively sure he'll be playing 2B alongside Swanson for a long time. Having a combination of Ozzie, Dansby, and Ender up the middle is something some teams can only dream about.

    Remember how upset everyone was when Peraza was shipped out? He was traded because Albies was both better, and breathing down his neck.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    I have little doubt that some of these guys will be traded, but don't think there's much chance Albies will be one of them unless it's as part of an absolute monster deal. Short of being able to land a Sale/Archer/Quintana-type, I'm relatively sure he'll be playing 2B alongside Swanson for a long time. Having a combination of Ozzie, Dansby, and Ender up the middle is something some teams can only dream about.

    Remember how upset everyone was when Peraza was shipped out? He was traded because Albies was both better, and breathing down his neck.
    I don't think anyone would argue this unless Sale/Archer/Quintana were a target. If we traded him in a deal for anything less than a bonified Ace, our whole front office needs to be immediately fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Why?
    Do you not understand what "buy low" means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think the Braves will have to be more flexible with some names that people have already pencilled into the starting lineup for the next ten years, who haven't really done much yet.

    Even some of the guys who might be very good players might not be more valuable than what they can be traded for. I love Albies, I think he could be a very good player. But perhaps an OBP 2B is not the most valuable way the Braves can deploy his value. Perhaps his highest value is in helping acquiring an Ace. Or a power hitter.

    I don't want to trade any of the prospect guys, but sometimes trading value for value is a nice proposition.
    You may have a point. Albies may be more valuable to the Braves if he is traded as a SS rather than keeping him to play 2B. It's in the same vein as trading one of Mallex or Inciarte to be a starting CFer somewhere else rather than letting Mallex rot on the bench or in AAA, or Inciarte as a RFer.

    It's all about maximizing value, and if they can get more value from Albies by trading him to a team that wants a franchise SS, I would be all for it. The return would have to be another "can't miss" top 10 position prospect though. No pitchers, and no package of lesser talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Do you not understand what "buy low" means?
    Seriously?

    Everyone else that read that understood exactly what that meant, yet you don't?

    The Braves didn't try to sign him because they thought his contract demands were ridiculous BEFORE the Cubs gave him that contract. Giving up ANY prospect and paying the money left on it is the farthest thing from "buying low" that you can get.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Do you not understand what "buy low" means?
    Yeahhhhhhh paying Heyward the rest of his contract AND giving up prospects for him is buying high, not low.

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    Jason still walks on water. The Cubs wouldn't be where there are without him. Isn't he at least 6.0 WAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Yeahhhhhhh paying Heyward the rest of his contract AND giving up prospects for him is buying high, not low.
    Buying low means you get him for cheaper.

    If the Cubs ate some of the contract or gave him to us for low level prospects, he'd be an excellent buy low candidate.

    Unless you think 2016 is his true self, and not the previous 6 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Buying low means you get him for cheaper.

    If the Cubs ate some of the contract or gave him to us for low level prospects, he'd be an excellent buy low candidate.

    Unless you think 2016 is his true self, and not the previous 6 years.
    If we traded low-level prospects for him and the Cubs didn't eat any salary...we'd still be buying high. They'd have to eat a good chunk of change and also give him to us for the low-level prospects for it to be a buy-low.

    I do definitely think it's possible he continues to struggle offensively (even if he's not quite as horrid as he was last year). And the defense still has to remain elite for the entirety of the contract for it to be worth it.

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    28 per is too risky. if the Cubs ate 16 million so his next 2 years are 20 per, then that might be a risk I would be willing to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    If we traded low-level prospects for him and the Cubs didn't eat any salary...we'd still be buying high. They'd have to eat a good chunk of change and also give him to us for the low-level prospects for it to be a buy-low.

    I do definitely think it's possible he continues to struggle offensively (even if he's not quite as horrid as he was last year). And the defense still has to remain elite for the entirety of the contract for it to be worth it.
    ...and even then it's not close to worth it. We dodged a yuge bullet there.

    He is as helpless as a kitten. Maddon sitting him for a third straight game tonight in favor of Soler this time.

    Watching him as a rookie with a .393 OBP, I really didn't think we were seeing his high water mark. The debate used to be whether you dared move him to CF. Now you almost have to in order to get any value out of him. 6'5", 240 with the skills of a 5'10", 175 lb man.


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