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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Perhaps the intent was never to find a platoon partner for Camargo, but rather to replace him entirely. Maybe Beltre being a RHH was what they were targeting the whole time, and we let the interview comment by AA about Camargo have too much influence on our thinking.

    Long ago we identifed Beltre as the best fit for this lineup, and maybe that’s still the case.

    There are very few position players who meaningfully upgrade 3b now...pretty much just Beltre and Solarte.
    Is Beltre an upgrade? Negative defender according to fangraphs. Ops is less than camargo's, and that's with a.351 babip (.050 over career avg)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Perhaps the intent was never to find a platoon partner for Camargo, but rather to replace him entirely. Maybe Beltre being a RHH was what they were targeting the whole time, and we let the interview comment by AA about Camargo have too much influence on our thinking.

    Long ago we identifed Beltre as the best fit for this lineup, and maybe that’s still the case.

    There are very few position players who meaningfully upgrade 3b now...pretty much just Beltre and Solarte.
    But, does Beltre meaningfully upgrade the team? I guess it does if you try and get Camargo in the lineup everyday in other ways, but even then...

    I’m not sure I want Camargo over Swanson at SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Perhaps the intent was never to find a platoon partner for Camargo, but rather to replace him entirely. Maybe Beltre being a RHH was what they were targeting the whole time, and we let the interview comment by AA about Camargo have too much influence on our thinking.

    Long ago we identifed Beltre as the best fit for this lineup, and maybe that’s still the case.

    There are very few position players who meaningfully upgrade 3b now...pretty much just Beltre and Solarte.
    We haven't seemed to be very involved with the other position players being moved, just sitting on the fringes. Makes me think we were more monitoring others in case our main target (perhaps Beltre) looked to not be panning out.

    Also, Ron Washington gives us an interesting connection. I have no doubt Washington would be campaigning to get Beltre.

    I also feel like Beltre could be a good influence on guys like Acuna, Albies, and especially Camargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Is Beltre an upgrade? Negative defender according to fangraphs. Ops is less than camargo's, and that's with a.351 ops (.050 over career avg)
    If you don’t believe in Camargo, then Beltre is an upgrade.

    One of the main goals for 2018 should have been to get Camargo 400+ PAs. He hasn’t quite reached that mark yet, but he should be close by the end of the season. It’s possible they have identified him as a bench player already.

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    It might not be Beltre vs Camargo. Bringing in someone like Beltre could be about letting Camargo move around the diamond more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    But, does Beltre meaningfully upgrade the team? I guess it does if you try and get Camargo in the lineup everyday in other ways, but even then...

    I’m not sure I want Camargo over Swanson at SS.
    it makes sense from a depth perspective...someone is going to get hurt or go into a slump...gives us a better pinch hitting option too
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    it makes sense from a depth perspective...someone is going to get hurt or go into a slump...gives us a better pinch hitting option too
    Yeah, but I'd rather just have Solarte for that. He can platoon with Camargo which upgrades 3rd. He can also play multiple positions and provide pop off the bench which takes care of that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Yeah, but I'd rather just have Solarte for that. He can platoon with Camargo which upgrades 3rd. He can also play multiple positions and provide pop off the bench which takes care of that issue.
    I'd take either one as long as the cost is reasonable
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    Rumor is the rays wanted tatis for archer. So... yea....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleBrave View Post
    Rumor is the rays wanted tatis for archer. So... yea....
    Apparently the Padres are hot on Archer right now. Wut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleBrave View Post
    Rumor is the rays wanted tatis for archer. So... yea....
    If that's what they're asking for, Archer isn't really available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    If that's what they're asking for, Archer isn't really available.
    yeah that's a Godfather offer right there

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    Maybe AA will strike a blockbuster at the eleventh hour for Stroman, Solarte and one of Loup or Tepera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    Maybe AA will strike a blockbuster at the eleventh hour for Stroman, Solarte and one of Loup or Tepera.
    Stroman sucks

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    The way our transactions have gone this season, i expect us to acquire Albie López, Kevin grybowski, and Nate McClouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleBrave View Post
    The way our transactions have gone this season, i expect us to acquire Albie López, Kevin grybowski, and Nate McClouth
    Damn your soul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    Stroman sucks
    Stroman is decent. His FIP away from Toronto is 3.60 this year. He's a good candidate to improve. We shouldn't pay ace prices for him but he's a solid middle of the rotation starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Stroman is decent. His FIP away from Toronto is 3.60 this year. He's a good candidate to improve. We shouldn't pay ace prices for him but he's a solid middle of the rotation starter.
    Yeah, I’d be ok with giving a package with Allard as the headliner. He’s a #2-#3 type.

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    Stroman had an injury I believe and his peripherals are better than the actual. As he's gotten away from it he's been the same Stroman we've always seen...not just against the Braves.
    Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaGirl View Post
    Stroman had an injury I believe and his peripherals are better than the actual. As he's gotten away from it he's been the same Stroman we've always seen...not just against the Braves.
    Yeah people are underrating him. If we get him he becomes our best pitcher.

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