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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    if all he is is a fifth starter that's still something...and I believe there is some benefit from having a mix of styles in the rotation...I'd try to separate Folty and Gausman in the rotation for example...Allard can be a preternaturally young Charlie Liebrandt...just keep away from Kirbie Puckett in any high leverage situation
    Has anyone looked at Allard splits in AA and AAA? I wonder how is stuff would play as a loogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    I still can't quite fathom how all of this is true, and I'm not doubting it is, and he's super successful as a 20 year old in AAA. I mean that's just a rarity in itself, let alone to be dominating with this type of stuff.
    Well, Wes Parsons has actually been a half run better in AAA, so maybe it's not that big a deal.

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    Those who might know: do pitchers that start at lower velocity lose it at similar rates to those who start at higher rates?

    If a 95 mph sits at 93 and eventually declines to 89. Does a 92 mph fast ball sit at 89.5 and decline to 85? Or is it easier to maintain lower velocities as you age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Well, Wes Parsons has actually been a half run better in AAA, so maybe it's not that big a deal.
    Well, Parsons is 25 too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Well, Wes Parsons has actually been a half run better in AAA, so maybe it's not that big a deal.
    He's 25, Allard is 20. How many 20 year pitchers dominate AAA?

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    He's not dominating. He's pitching well. Gotta look at more than just ERA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atl717 View Post
    He's not dominating. He's pitching well. Gotta look at more than just ERA.
    Terminology doesn't change the topic of the discussion. dominating... pitching well. Same question applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    He's 25, Allard is 20. How many 20 year pitchers dominate AAA?
    Probably not many. I imagine that when he's on that Allard has good tunnelling on his pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JxnMissFan View Post
    Has anyone looked at Allard splits in AA and AAA? I wonder how is stuff would play as a loogy.
    conventional splits...which is consistent with the curve being his best pitch
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    Are we looking at Avery pretty much just with lower velocity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcc03004 View Post
    Are we looking at Avery pretty much just with lower velocity.
    No

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcc03004 View Post
    Are we looking at Avery pretty much just with lower velocity.
    Wat

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
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    Glavine-lite/like??

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck75 View Post
    Glavine-lite/like??
    People too often equate lower velocity with poorer stuff. That's often the case but not always. There are different ways to have great stuff. Glavine's fastball/changeup combo was absolutely filthy.

    Maddux is another. His fastball was never exactly blazing but it would have more break than some guys' curveballs.

    Allard is probably going to need to either develop some better stuff or have absolutely pinpoint command to succeed. It's not impossible but it's not easy. If he could make that changeup into a wipeout pitch that looks identical to his fastball out of his hand, that would be big. Or if he could turn that curve into an absolute hammer then he could live off of that. Alternatively, if he could get his fastball to tick up a few MPH then that would have a good chance at establishing him at the major league level. As is, he's probably a reliever.

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    Braves f'd up by not unloading him at the deadline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipchildress View Post
    Braves f'd up by not unloading him at the deadline...
    I doubt it. Baseball already knew all about his stuff.

    His value was probably already lower than the consortium of bloggers that are regarded as experts suggest in their top 100 ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I doubt it. Baseball already knew all about his stuff.

    His value was probably already lower than the consortium of bloggers that are regarded as experts suggest in their top 100 ratings.
    He wasn't in any Top 100 ratings...

    Remember how many folks around here disagreed with those experts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    He wasn't in any Top 100 ratings...

    Remember how many folks around here disagreed with those experts?
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