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    ESPN Insider: Why the Braves should consider trading Kimbrel this winter.

    Craig Kimbrel is one of the best closers in baseball, and his value might never be higher.

    The 2013 Atlanta Braves won 96 games, winning the NL East by a comfortable margin, and one of the reasons they flirted with the century mark was their 25-year-old closer, Craig Kimbrel.

    Since coming up during the 2010 season, Kimbrel has been the pitcher that hitters have least desired to face, striking out an otherworldly 15.1 batters per 9 innings. Kimbrel's career line -- 15-7 with a 1.39 ERA, with 381 strikeouts in 227 1/3 innings -- looks like what a starting pitcher would put up in the best season we've ever seen.

    By any measure, from traditional statistics to sabermetric statistics to simply watching Kimbrel humiliate a batter to end the game, this man is an amazing pitcher.

    This is also why Kimbrel should be wearing another uniform when baseball resumes next spring.



    The value of a closer

    No, Craig Kimbrel is not an overrated pitcher. He's not headed for a cliff, and there's no scary peripheral stat lurking in the shadows suggesting that batters are going to solve the Kimbrel riddle next year.

    It's just that when it comes down to it, the best baseball decisions are always ones that value tomorrow more than yesterday. Yesterday is an expensive prospect; the Phillies have a team built to compete in 2007, and the 2013 Yankees found themselves fatally burdened by decisions that valued the past more than the future.

    While it's not as pronounced an effect in baseball as it was 10 or 15 years ago, the value of a closer still tends to be overrated. Closers throw too few innings and most managers in baseball will use a closer mainly in save situations, not necessarily the most crucial situations in the game (there is a difference).

    It's not a coincidence that many successful small-market teams, such as Oakland, Tampa Bay, and Pittsburgh the last two years, have put together their excellent bullpens on a tight budget. When you don't have unlimited resources, a closer is the least efficient place to spend your dough.

    Despite all the mystique involving closers that live to eat fire and terrorize opponents with ferocious facial hair, closers are built, not born. The Pirates didn't find Jason Grilli or Joel Hanrahan by seeking out which MLB pitchers were descended from ancient Norse berserkers, they simply took relievers that were good at getting batters out in the 8th inning and let them get batters out in the 9th inning instead.


    The longevity issue



    Historically speaking, the shelf life of closers is relatively short. Closers that are successful for more than a decade are actually quite rare. What made Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman so special wasn't just their ability, but also their longevity. And neither were even anointed closers until they were within shouting distance of age 30, at 27 and 26 respectively.

    Looking at the top young closers through age 25 in baseball history, you can see just how high the fail rate is. Francisco Rodriguez is no longer the electric pitcher he once was. Gregg Olson, Chad Cordero, and Joakim Soria all had their careers severely derailed due to injury.Ugueth Urbina was done as a full-time closer at 30, even before getting into legal trouble.Byung-Hyun Kim had 70 saves before he turned 24 ... and 16 the rest of his career.

    On the flip side, 25 pitchers have passed the 300-save mark. Their average save totals through age 25? That would be 24, and that's with Rodriguez generating 25 percent of the total.


    Kimbrel's value



    Kimbrel may be a terrific closer over the next decade, but given how dizzying his highs have been, the odds strongly favor the Braves having already received the best he has to give. A Kimbrelian level of awesomeness is quite difficult to maintain, after all, and the Braves are not a team with unlimited resources. Kimbrel has 9 WAR over the last three seasons. Looking at all pitchers within a win of that over that time frame, every pitcher would either set off a bidding war (Madison Bumgarner and Mat Latos) or is already very handsomely paid (Zack Greinke, Matt Cain, and Jon Lester).


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    Scott Cunningham/Getty ImagesThe Braves will soon need to extend the contract of Jason Heyward and other young contributors.



    Even with fewer teams shelling out obscene amounts of cash for closers, Kimbrel's going to get more expensive very quickly and the Braves, while not a small market team, are not known for being aggressive spenders. After signingJonny Venters to a 1-year, $1.625 million contract, the Braves have 13 more players eligible for arbitration this winter to sign.

    Even assuming a revenue boost from a new stadium in Cobb County, the Braves still need to have room to explore long-term contracts with Jason Heyward, Justin Upton, and Kris Medlen, all free agents in two years, with Freddie Freeman scheduled to hit free agency a year after that.


    How much can they get?



    One of the Braves' strengths is bullpen depth, so even if losing Kimbrel costs the team an excellent reliever, the possible return from a trade is worth the risk. Atlanta's bullpen, outside of Kimbrel, combined for a 2.67 ERA in 2013, so we're not talking about a pen that's starving for quality. A Kimbrel trade wouldn't involve someone on the Byron Buxton level, unless Twins general manager Terry Ryan hangs out with Rob Ford in the offseason, but in a world in which the Phillies are willing to offer Edward Mujica a three-year deal, and a 39-year-old Joe Nathan is likely to clear $10 million, three years of Kimbrel at arbitration prices is worth a lot to a big-spending team.

    The Pirates got a useful reliever in Mark Melancon and an interesting prospect in Stolmy Pimentel for a single year of Hanrahan (and from a well-run team), so a Kimbrel trade could involve some serious prospect value. The Diamondbacks can't compete with the Dodgers in the free agent market, so they might be talked out of Chris Owings, who would be an immediate upgrade on Dan Uggla and would give the team time to evaluate Tommy La Stella in AAA.

    The Tigers were extremely reluctant to play Nick Castellanos in the majors and saw first-hand what a third-rate bullpen could do to their World Series chances, so the Braves could at least ask; Chris Johnson's not exactly a great defensive 3B either, after all.

    For a pitcher of Kimbrel's talent, there's no shortage of possible configurations or packages that could come to fruition and the Braves, not trading Kimbrel from a position of desperation, don't have to do anything if the price isn't right.


    The bottom line



    Trading a great player is always an excruciating decision, but anybody can make an easy one. It's those hard decisions that separate the teams with long-term success from the also-rans. By at least exploring a Craig Kimbrel trade, the Braves have an opportunity to help their franchise win today -- and tomorrow.

    And if they don't like the offers, they'll merely have to settle with having the best closer in baseball.

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    Ive been saying for months that Braves need to get Castellanos while they can. It should not be difficult to put together something along with Kimbrel for a package of some of Castellanos Porcello Rondon or others.

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    Certainly would listen. It would have to be good though

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    No way I trade him. Sorry.

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    We are looking at 4 guys that we don't want to lose but are going to be extremely expensive. Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, and Kimbrell could cost $60-80 million between the four. It seems impossible to be able to keep then all. (Especially since the Braves local TV deal sucks compared to what it should be) Peter Gammons said last night on MLBN that the Braves exec's already acknowledge that they won't be able to keep Heyward. Now we can't keep Kimbrell? This just plan sucks.
    Kimbrell for 3 awesome prospects from Detroit or wherever? Ok. If we have to, lets do it and get it over with.

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    I think Kimbrel's playoff value was clearly exhibited this year. Sure, he helped the team win a game, but if the manager isn't going to use him for more than an inning plus, all of those awesome Ks and whatnot are overrated.

    Of course, everyone remembers June of '06, so there needs to be somebody competent enough to replace him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary82 View Post
    I think Kimbrel's playoff value was clearly exhibited this year. Sure, he helped the team win a game, but if the manager isn't going to use him for more than an inning plus, all of those awesome Ks and whatnot are overrated.

    Of course, everyone remembers June of '06, so there needs to be somebody competent enough to replace him.
    THAT is on Fredi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    THAT is on Fredi.
    Yes. And he's not going anywhere.

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    If we trade kimbrel we deserve the inevitable trip home in late September.

    Unless someone offers us a stud for kimbrel wed be morons to trade him
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    I completely understand the idea of this the reasoning is sound

    but I still don't want to do it

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    We'd be morons not to.

    I'm not sure the braves can afford to pay a closer what Kimbrell will make in arb in 2 years. They can't sign him long term.

    The braves need a talent upgrade if they are going to take the next step....my opinion only I know.

    You don't trade him unless you get a long term answer to a spot that can play next year + quality pieces. You don't trade him just to trade him.

    This is the move that needs to be made. I don't think Wrenn has the stones.

    We can find a way to get 3 outs in the pen. I remember the years between Smoltz and KK.

    No idea if Castellanos is a no doubt guy or not. But he seems like a resonalble target. But it should take much more than him. Even if they take Uggla at full salary back we should get another prospect.

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    so we can't afford him 2 years from now we should trade him now?

    It's counter productive for a winning team to trade a closer because odds are someone else will not value him at the value he actually is to us as one of the best teams in baseball.
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    We can find someone who will be 90-95% as effective as Kimbrel for very little while getting top prospects in return for him. Its a no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OkieBrave View Post
    We are looking at 4 guys that we don't want to lose but are going to be extremely expensive. Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, and Kimbrell could cost $60-80 million between the four. It seems impossible to be able to keep then all. (Especially since the Braves local TV deal sucks compared to what it should be) Peter Gammons said last night on MLBN that the Braves exec's already acknowledge that they won't be able to keep Heyward. Now we can't keep Kimbrell? This just plan sucks.
    Kimbrell for 3 awesome prospects from Detroit or wherever? Ok. If we have to, lets do it and get it over with.
    I wouldnt put Kimbrel in there, he's awesome but not irreplaceable like the other 3.

    Didnt know that about Heyward but we'll see.

    Wouldnt surprise me though if that happened however.

    I'd put Julio/Minor/JUp over Kimbrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    We can find someone who will be 90-95% as effective as Kimbrel for very little while getting top prospects in return for him. Its a no brainer.
    If it was that easy then everybody would have a good closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    If it was that easy then everybody would have a good closer.
    Luckily for the Braves, developing bullpen arms is not a problem.

    The return for the Braves in a trade will be more beneficial long term than keeping Kimbrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
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    Never said replace him with someone like that, more-so a veteran closer at half the cost like a Balfour/Mujica/Benoit type for 2-3 years while someone else is groomed to take over.

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