I disagree about the pen. We will have a good pen imo. I think cather is address next off season. And we will need either 3rd and/or of spot to be addressed as well. If pitching doesn't pan out then I agree. Resumes need to be on hand.
I disagree about the pen. We will have a good pen imo. I think cather is address next off season. And we will need either 3rd and/or of spot to be addressed as well. If pitching doesn't pan out then I agree. Resumes need to be on hand.
So with the leaked proposal of Musgrove, Martes, Tucker, would a similar package be Newcomb, Albies, Mallex?
Yeah. At least the Dickey deal has an option. I wasn't a fan of the Colon signing.
Looking ahead to 2018 I think our pitching staff might look like this:
Starters: Teheran, Folty, Wisler, Dickey, someone like Kennedy or Zimmermann acquired by trade.
Pen: Cabrera, Johnson, Simmons, Winkler, Krol, Minter, Newcomb
I'm thinking we build up Vizcaino's trade value by making him the closer. In that sort of scenario, we include him in a trade for a starting pitcher. I could see us sending Viz, Markakis and maybe a second-tier prospect for Kennedy or Zimmermann.
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The only White Sox player I think we should be interested in is Frazier. He honestly shouldn't take too much to acquire with only one year remaining and coming off a down year overall.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Don't really see that as being equivalent.
Wisler may be equal to Musgrove, but Blair is certainly not with his mega struggles last year. Actually Musgrove's brief time in the MLB was still better than Wisler thus far at the MLB level. In just a partial season, Musgrove already has more fWAR than Wisler in two seasons... not equal.
Martes is most certainly a ton more valuable than Newcomb at this stage
Tucker and Albies are very similar in their value.
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The White Sox did very well in the Sale and Eaton trades and their rumored ask for Quintana is in the same ballpark in terms of overpay. There might be another team out there willing to discount the future the way the Red Sox and gnats were willing to. I hope it isn't us.
If I had to predict a single "big" FA signing next offseason, I would predict the Braves sign Lucroy. He should only cost them a 3rd draft pick (if I understand the insanely complex QO rules of the new CBA). He should command a deal in the 5/85 range, which is under the max size FA contract I expect the Braves to hand out in the near/mid future.
Lucroy would be a "win now" move at a time the Braves should finally be in a position to win, and he will fill the biggest area of need on the MLB team.
JohnAdcox (12-12-2016)
Corner OF should never, ever, be a position a contending team can't find a 2+ WAR solution unless they have really screwed up their resource planning. There are always a couple good OFers available via trade and several available via FA.
I think the Braves should add Lucroy next offseason. They will probably stick with a Ruiz/Adonis/SRod platoon at 3b for the next 2 seasons, and then try to buy Donaldson's decline years for something like 5/120 for his age 33-37 seasons.
As I keep reading about short-term and long-term pitching plans, I have to chuckle that virtually everyone has overlooked one of the best under-the-radar picks of the 2016 draft.
Lefty Drew Harrington was the ACC Pitcher of the Year for Louisville on a loaded staff in a loaded conference. The Braves picked him 80th overall after he went 12-2 for the Cardinal. He got a late start on his pro career because of a cautious approach to an arm strain, but made nine appearances (one start) and went 1-0, 2.45 with a strikeout per inning.
He might be converted to relief because of the raft of strong starters drafted before him, but he is 21, a little more advanced that the many prep pitchers drafted, and his sinking fastball and willingness to pound it in the strike zone projects him as a reliever to many. He has even hit 94 on the gun when pitching in relief. But it ain't necessarily so.
Expect Harrington to appear in my year-end prospect board much higher than anyone seems to consider him. I think he projects as a big leaguer by 2018 at the latest and expect him to start the year with the Fire Frogs if he has no setbacks.
JohnAdcox (12-12-2016)
There was a report we were looking in to catchers in the high minors, as well as Coppy saying he was still talking potential trades with teams. I'm hoping we make a play for someone like Chance Sisco or Connor Kelly.
JohnAdcox (12-12-2016)
Everything I've read about Carson Kelly suggests he is a pretty sure bet to be a solid starting caliber catcher. The guy at FG said his floor is an everyday catcher, and so is his ceiling. He would have been a great return if the Cards came to the Braves for their CFer, but now that they signed Fowler I don't see what the Braves have to offer the Cards.
I honestly have no idea what the Braves could be cooking up to acquire a young catcher. The only MLB ready piece they could deal now is Ender/Mallex, and it would have to be a hell of a catcher to be worth Ender. The trade deadline might be a more realistic time for such a trade once the Braves go into sell mode.
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
I think the Reds match up well on a catcher trade. Mesoraco and Barnhart both are decent options. I think I prefer Barnhart, but surely we could almost get Mesoraco for free considering his recent injuries and salary for the next 2 years.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Maybe? I doubt Davidson factors at all for any other team as more than a filler piece or change of scenery lotto ticket, but Viz might interest them. Legit BP arms are certainly more valuable at the trade deadline, as we have seen lately, so that might be when the braves look to acquire a young catcher.
i expect a few more pitching prospects to be given away for pretty much nothing. you know, because of depth. get dealing coppy! lol.