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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    In 2018 Fried put up a FIP of 3.56 in AAA in 66 innings and a FIP of 3.67 in the majors in 34 innings.

    Combine that with the strong spring he is having and I would say I like the under on the 3.80 FIP projection that Steamer has for him.

    He walked 5.82 per 9 as a starter last season. Flat fastball. Long history of not being able to stay healthy.

    His poor control is consistent with his minor league history as he's never in his life had an extended sample with a BB rate under 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    He walked 5.82 per 9 as a starter last season. Flat fastball. Long history of not being able to stay healthy.

    His poor control is consistent with his minor league history as he's never in his life had an extended sample with a BB rate under 4.
    The walks are not good but not the whole story. FIP looks at the rest of the story. I think there is a similar risk with Fried as with Newk that his control does not improve. I'd still take either over Gio this season. Both were better than Gio last year (as measured by FIP) and given the ages I like both Fried and Newk over Gio this year. I also like Wright, Wilson and Touki over Gio this year (as measured by FIP). If anyone wants to do a bet (based on FIP in the majors) where they take Gio over any of these guys I'm game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    still not literally children
    Do you know how old they are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Do you know how old they are?
    no but what do you consider a child. we can make a bet on if any of them are literally children
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    no but what do you consider a child. we can make a bet on if any of them are literally children
    Depends, i'm talking mentally and not necessarily age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Depends, i'm talking mentally and not necessarily age.
    well, then that's not literal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Someone threw out 4 War earlier at the high end of his "expected range" of performance... I'd say that's a few days on horseback from being realistic. Especially with a late start to the season.
    He's secretly been getting ready on his own like Keuchel - he'll be ready on Opening Day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    The walks are not good but not the whole story. FIP looks at the rest of the story. I think there is a similar risk with Fried as with Newk that his control does not improve. I'd still take either over Gio this season. Both were better than Gio last year (as measured by FIP) and given the ages I like both Fried and Newk over Gio this year. I also like Wright, Wilson and Touki over Gio this year (as measured by FIP). If anyone wants to do a bet (based on FIP in the majors) where they take Gio over any of these guys I'm game.
    Not sure where to land on Newk, Fried, and Touki just yet, but I'm getting the feeling that Wright has sensed his opportunity and doesn't plan to let it loose - assuming AA and Snitker make the obvious choice and put him in the mix now, I'm not sure he comes out of the rotation unless he's traded (even if/when Folty and Gausman are ready).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I'm not big on spring training stats, but I do keep an eye on them and the strikeout to walk numbers of our starters this spring (except for Newk) are encouraging.

    Teheran 1 BB 16K
    Fried 5 and 16
    Wright 2 and 16
    Touki 2 and 17
    Wilson 2 and 13
    Newk 10 and 7
    lol that's awful

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    He's secretly been getting ready on his own like Keuchel - he'll be ready on Opening Day.
    How is it secretly if you know it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    How is it secretly if you know it?
    Came from one of Bowman's "sources".
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    lol that's awful
    given the way some of the younger guys have pitched, I think he could be eased out of the rotation soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Came from one of Bowman's "sources".
    Bowman is good with the secret sauce
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I'm not big on spring training stats, but I do keep an eye on them and the strikeout to walk numbers of our starters this spring (except for Newk) are encouraging.

    Teheran 1 BB 16K
    Fried 5 and 16
    Wright 2 and 16
    Touki 2 and 17
    Wilson 2 and 13
    Newk 10 and 7
    Too early to call this a Post Chuckie bump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    lol that's awful
    I listened to one of newcomb's start and radio said he was really focusing on changeup this spring. Hopefully he's been throwing way more changeups than he would in real game

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    I've never seen such a group of dumbasses that just bring up random **** from so long ago to try and bait people into ruining the discussion.

    ****ing losers.
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    Maybe you should realize you aren't half as smart as you think you are, despite your impressive career as a sale engineer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    The walks are not good but not the whole story. FIP looks at the rest of the story. I think there is a similar risk with Fried as with Newk that his control does not improve. I'd still take either over Gio this season. Both were better than Gio last year (as measured by FIP) and given the ages I like both Fried and Newk over Gio this year. I also like Wright, Wilson and Touki over Gio this year (as measured by FIP). If anyone wants to do a bet (based on FIP in the majors) where they take Gio over any of these guys I'm game.

    If Gio were anywhere other than Yankee Stadium in the AL East, I'd consider it.

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    Newk on the mound today vs Jays

    Strange lineup

    Swanson
    Camargo(LF)
    Acuna(CF)
    McCann
    Culberson(2B)
    Pache(RF)
    Wilkins(!B)
    Floriman(3B)
    Newk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    He walked 5.82 per 9 as a starter last season. Flat fastball. Long history of not being able to stay healthy.

    His poor control is consistent with his minor league history as he's never in his life had an extended sample with a BB rate under 4.
    Wait...are folks who think Gio is better than Fried basing this on command? Perhaps some folks need to look up Gio’s command stats?

    Fried’s problem is going to be the flat FA. If he has addressed that by either getting a higher spin rate (unlikely), or switching to a SI in order to take advantage of his low spin rate (no idea how easy it is to make that switch), then he is a decent bet to outperform Gio.

    I keep pointing out Fried’s FA for the same reason I point out every pitchers’ stuff...it’s the best predictor of success. Unfortunately, we can’t see that data until they’ve already made it to the MLB level.

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    is it common for a guy like pache to still be on the roster right now?
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