I wonder if those upset right now would still be upset if the Braves didn't over perform (with the Nats under performing) and win the division last year?
I wonder if those upset right now would still be upset if the Braves didn't over perform (with the Nats under performing) and win the division last year?
IowaBrave14 (02-08-2019)
Again. I am glad the faillies over paid for JTR. What I am upset about is how DD attacked this off season. He let the dumbest FO play him like a fiddle. He should have said this is my offer take it or have a good day. Instead he let it sit like a late night booty call. The fish screwed us knowing we were always going to be there but continued to find a better hook up. How can DD get played like that. Then we bring in NEck as our big corner bat. Are you saying we couldnt dip just a little into our prospect capital for peralta or spend a little to get Brantley. You DD defenders wanna explain how dropping a non top 100 prospect for Paxton was going all in. The DD apologist need to remember this when you have to watch freaking raffy Lopez start 50 games this year.
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Tapate50 (02-08-2019)
So the three "additions" are expected to outperform Harper, but that conveniently leaves out any expected production from additional Camargo/Riley ABs that wouldn't cost you more money and any production you'd get at a minimal cost from a backup Catcher not named McCann (Wieters, Maldonado, Vogt, Hundley, Ellis, and Caleb Joseph are still floating around out there, and another handful of guys signed for less than Mac).
Signing Donaldson and getting a pick is somewhat ridiculous if you could've had Harper since Riley's so close and you have Camargo. Of course the pick has value, but you've really done nothing to improve your chances of winning in the near future - while you still have Freeman, Acuna, and Albies and all the arms are healthy and cheap.
Quantifying and explaining things have "value" is all well and good, but this winter has shown me that I was right way back when the rebuild started - going through it was somewhat stupid if we're going to turn into the Rays/Pirates with a little more money. If you're not willing to do what it takes to win when you have a chance, why play the *amn game at all??? Lengthening windows is a great strategy, but if you're not going to go for it when the window is wide open, the whole exercise is a waste of time - the vast majority of fans have had their fill of "being relevant" for 14 years with one championship to show for it.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
On the other side, those not upset, would they be upset if we finish 4th in the division, get a mediocre draft selection, and burn another year of all of our players? I'm sorry, but i'm sick and tired of the "wait until next year" philosophy.....the Braves were once the class of baseball....now we are damn cheapskates...
Get off my lawn!
Earlier this off-season both the Braves and Phillies engaged on Realmuto, but were left with the impression that the Marlins preferred not to trade him within the division. Kind of stupid but that's seems to have been the case.
The Marlins and Phillies re-engaged only after the Marlins had extensive conversations with teams outside the division, including the Padres, Dodgers and Reds.
They came back to the Phillies only after not being fully satisfied with what the other teams offered. Should AA have matched what the Phillies offered. Don't think so. Should he have tried harder earlier in the off-season. Maybe but it seems to me the ask within the division was higher than what teams like the Padres, Dodgers, and Reds were offering. One way or another it doesn't seem that Realmuto was available to us short of a price that was as significant overpay.
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"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Prospect lists and actual value to teams are not the same thing.
Considering Sixto's injury issues and distance from the majors, I would pick Touki over him every day of the week. I think Sixto's fastball and ceiling that still has a chance of being elite jump him up the prospect lists. But I'd bet the majority of teams would value Touki more highly.
Of course, there's no objective way for this to be proven right or wrong.
So if the Faillies sign Harper. Would they have enough to entice the tribe in trade for Kluber? Something around Nick Williams and two top prospects? They have to get some pitching help
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Considering every single prospect list is compiled from sources inside actual baseball teams, and they are listed in terms of FV, you're wrong.
There may be teams who value Touki and Sixto similarly, but that isn't what you said.
You said, "Touki is much more valuable because he's already ready"...which is patently incorrect.
I think this does set up a situation where Grandal and Ceveli are going to be logical targets next off-season. We are in a position to go high AAV to keep down length of contract. That's what I would do with those two.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Maaaaaybe a team like the As or Rays who operate on the bleeding edge of value analysis would prefer Touki. We have seen them routinely overvalue guys due to proximity to the majors because they can't even afford to splurge on 1 win roster fillers.
But in general, no, Touki is not "much more valuable" than Sixto.