Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

[zbhargrove]

More likely? Tom Glavine would have trouble winning 20 games with this offense. Heyward, on the other hand, has already had a 20/20 season on a team with no hitting coach and terrible baserunning.

Lol... Hewyard has basically zero shot at a 40/40 season.

[Dalyn]

We playing the what if game? Okay, what if Heyward keeps doing what he's been doing?

Just to clarify for people missing the point...it was a statement about how ridiculous it is to wait until the end of 2017 to get upset.

[Carp]

Want to use ERA?

How bout realize he's not even 24 and his rookie yr as fantastic. He had a sophomore slump but was still an effective pitcher.

[kendiz]

Cards will have stiff competition to sign him long term. Namely from the yanks and BoSox. Pretty clear Heyward wants to go to FA. Unless the Cards are offering 200 million this very minute, it's hard to imagine Heyward signing an extension.

Yup...and we get a good young starter..... Heyward is looking for BIG money and a BIGGER stage.... Good trade in my opinion.

[Dalyn]

Think about this stat.

2014 .169 BA .252 OBP and 2 HR that is Jason Heyward's line against LH pitching in 2014. He has not been the same since getting hit in the head.

He could get hit again and flip those stats right around.

[The Chosen One]

Heyward is the ultimate team player.

He's going to tank next season to lower his value which will make re-signing him easier.

[Dunit24]

More likely? Tom Glavine would have trouble winning 20 games with this offense. Heyward, on the other hand, has already had a 20/20 season on a team with no hitting coach and terrible baserunning.

20/20....we are talking 40/40. Heyward ain't doing that. As hart said, we are getting a quality sp for 4 years in exchange for a quality of for one year. Pretty clear cut Jason wasn't going to be resigned. In one year, this deal will look great. I agree now it hurts us, but long term this is a great deal.

[Dalyn]

Lol... Hewyard has basically zero shot at a 40/40 season.

Heyward, all kidding aside, is the exact type of player capable of having a 40/40 season in his prime.

[bravesnumberone]

Heyward is the ultimate team player.

He's going to tank next season to lower his value which will make re-signing him easier.

Going to be hard to compensate his hatred of baseball with the city that supposedly loves it the most.

[Russ2dollas]

heyward's swing will not let him hit 40 Hrs....too many line drives and too many pounded into the ground.

He's fast, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he has the instincts to get 40 SBs.

You also have to get on base to steal 40 bases.

We should have had a top 10 position prospect in this deal. Cards have quality depth in the system.

[Tapate50]

So people are down on Miller after one fantastic rookie year and a sophmore slump, but Heyward is worth more than him based on mostly defense?

I think we have misconstrued the value of our own players\prospects. Every trade we have made is what the market would bear.

I'll wait and see what the rest of the offseason bears before I judge this one, as Heywards production is certainly repeatable in other ways.

[holden]

This coming from the guy who thinks Uggla should still be in the starting line-up.

You're confusing me with someone else.

[skillet]

So:

Cardinals get:
Heyward - 1 year of control for $8.3MM in 2015
Walden - 2 years of control for $3.0MM in 2015

Braves get:
Miller - 4 years of control for $550,000 in 2015
Jenkins - 6 years of control

So essentially we gave up one year of Heyward and two of Walden for 4 of Miller and 6 of Jenkins, and shed roughly $11MM from the 2015 payroll. Miller is a very good, young starting pitcher who has ace or #2 potential and has pitched like a solid #3 so far. Jenkins has a very high ceiling but some injury issues. Overall I'd have to say this is probably a fair trade for both sides.

[50PoundHead]

Jenkins is a ways away, but appears to be healthy again, having pitched in the Arizona Fall League.

Here's a piece on him: http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2014/11/...tyrell-jenkins

[Tapate50]

Heyward, all kidding aside, is the exact type of player capable of having a 40/40 season in his prime.

What exactly suggests this?

[Dalyn]

Mostly defense? Seriously? I think people forget Heyward is only 25 and has spent his MLB career on a team with no hitting coach.

[50PoundHead]

You're confusing me with someone else.

Not that I recall, but I am old and could be mistaken.

[Millwood1Hitter]

so we toss Upton and use the Upton/Jhey money on Shields.........then we lose 80 games 1-0 or 2-0.

And this would be any different than what we witnessed in 2014?

[Dalyn]

What exactly suggests this?

Speed and the body of someone who will grow into his power. 30/30 will definitely happen, in my opinion.

[Tapate50]

So:

Cardinals get:
Heyward - 1 year of control for $8.3MM in 2015
Walden - 2 years of control for $3.0MM in 2015

Braves get:
Miller - 4 years of control for $550,000 in 2015
Jenkins - 6 years of control

So essentially we gave up one year of Heyward and two of Walden for 4 of Miller and 6 of Jenkins, and shed roughly $11MM from the 2015 payroll. Miller is a very good starting pitcher who has ace or #2 potential and has pitched like a #3 so far. Jenkins has a high ceiling but some injury issues. Overall I'd have to say this is probably a fair trade for both sides.

I have a feeling that shedding some payroll might have been understood after we had to emergency sign Santanna this passed year... having a 120M payroll while still in our current place was probably unrealistic to begin with. I'd love to go all out for Moncada (sp?)