The Trump Presidency

[cajunrevenge]

Mick Mulvaney to be interm White House Chief of Staff. He has a good history on voting for marijuana legalization.

[goldfly]

[cajunrevenge]

Ivanka appears to be in some **** from the inauguration. How the **** do you break the law from day 1. Literally not a minute into Trump presidency a serious crime was being committed. Such an obvious crime too. This aint 1930's where **** like that can be covered up.

[50PoundHead]

Ivanka appears to be in some **** from the inauguration. How the **** do you break the law from day 1. Literally not a minute into Trump presidency a serious crime was being committed. Such an obvious crime too. This aint 1930's where **** like that can be covered up.

I've come to the conclusion that getting angry with the Trumps for stuff like this is like getting mad at a non-house-trained dog when it sh*ts on the carpet. Ignorance is no excuse before the law, but the Trumps are totally ignorant of the law and they really don't have any inclination to learn. They've done things their own way for so long and largely gotten away with it that they don't care a whit about anything outside of their bubble.

[57Brave]

I gave up being angry at Trump a long time ago. I am disgusted by Gary Johnson Jill Stein voters and am very very disappointed in those that should know better giving credence to the character assassination of HRC.

without a glimpse of forethought on just what a President Donald Trump would mean

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000004

[Julio3000]

I've come to the conclusion that getting angry with the Trumps for stuff like this is like getting mad at a non-house-trained dog when it sh*ts on the carpet. Ignorance is no excuse before the law, but the Trumps are totally ignorant of the law and they really don't have any inclination to learn. They've done things their own way for so long and largely gotten away with it that they don't care a whit about anything outside of their bubble.

I agree about the getting angry component. I disagree about ignorance of the law. I don’t think they’re ignorant of the law, except perhaps in a feigned sense when it’s necessary to avoid accountability. They’ve just always been able to brazen or buy their way out of trouble.

[sturg33]

I agree about the getting angry component. I disagree about ignorance of the law. I don’t think they’re ignorant of the law, except perhaps in a feigned sense when it’s necessary to avoid accountability. They’ve just always been able to brazen or buy their way out of trouble.

Nobody without absurdly expensive lawyers could possible be knowledgeable of all our laws

[sturg33]

Remember this when you hear about all the hysteria about the world ending

[cajunrevenge]

I gave up being angry at Trump a long time ago. I am disgusted by Gary Johnson Jill Stein voters and am very very disappointed in those that should know better giving credence to the character assassination of HRC.

without a glimpse of forethought on just what a President Donald Trump would mean

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000004

Nominate a worthwhile candidate then. This is all a result of the establishment of both major parties forcing their guy down their parties throats with serious election fraud in the primaries to make sure the establishment guy won. People dont want the status quo guy anymore. Outsiders like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders had a lot of success in the primaries and a good sized base. Pretty good for a Libertarian and an Independent/green party in the Republican and Democratic race. Trump was even more of an outsider and its what made him.


Hillary can kiss my ass she would have been 8 more years of stalling on marijuana reform and liberals and the media wouldnt want to critisize her for it.

[Julio3000]

Nobody without absurdly expensive lawyers could possible be knowledgeable of all our laws

All of our laws? Certainly. That’s kind of an absurd extension of what I said, though. And FWIW, I’m talking about someone who has access to absurdly expensive lawyers—and not even on his own dime. The transition, the WH, the RNC, even the inaugural committee have legal counsel, right? I’m just saying that ignorance of the law is not an excuse in this case, nor is it ever, particularly, for anyone in the Trump family.

[goldfly]

sticking up for the guy who tries to claim he is the smartest person that makes the best deals and hires the best people by saying his $500+ an hour lawyers and himself and the gop etc aren't sure on the laws cause no one could know ALL the laws


is such a so called freedom lover move/post

[sturg33]

Yeah - that's fair.

I just think that folks who support Trump knew of his bad character long before, so new stories aren't going to move the needle much.

And we have way too many laws in this country

[sturg33]

sticking up for the guy who tries to claim he is the smartest person that makes the best deals and hires the best people by saying his $500+ an hour lawyers and himself and the gop etc aren't sure on the laws cause no one could know ALL the laws


is such a so called freedom lover move/post

you have the best sentences

[Julio3000]

Yeah - that's fair.

I just think that folks who support Trump knew of his bad character long before, so new stories aren't going to move the needle much.

And we have way too many laws in this country

Well, that’s true enough.

[50PoundHead]

I agree about the getting angry component. I disagree about ignorance of the law. I don’t think they’re ignorant of the law, except perhaps in a feigned sense when it’s necessary to avoid accountability. They’ve just always been able to brazen or buy their way out of trouble.

I should have probably rephrased. Instead of "plain" ignorance, I probably should have qualified it by writing "willful" ignorance or what I like to label being "purposefully obtuse."

This isn't just the Trumps. I think the Kennedys were similar in their willingness to ski down moral slopes (although I believe the Kennedy clan by and large had more intellectual firepower than the Trumps). It seems that the M.O. of many rich families is defraud, allow yourself to be sued, buy off the plaintiffs at 50 cents on the dollar (if that) with no admission of guilt, and proceed to the next victim. Lather, rinse, repeat. I think the Trumps are probably involved in all kinds of crap because they have been in a cash business that could conceivably launder vasts amounts of money.

As for too many laws, I can agree at a level because I've seen too many narrow and/or bad laws passed during my 40-plus years of being involved with the legislative process. There are too many lobbyists both at the state and national levels and a lot of them are there to tinker with one or two sentences, which adds to the complexity in the enforcement of laws. But if there's on place where there aren't enough laws, it's in campaign finance.

[sturg33]

truly the pro life party and party of Jesus


https://www.npr.org/2018/12/13/67662...F11uS-zYOjIYeY

What's the implication you're making here?

[Julio3000]

I should have probably rephrased. Instead of "plain" ignorance, I probably should have qualified it by writing "willful" ignorance or what I like to label being "purposefully obtuse."

This isn't just the Trumps. I think the Kennedys were similar in their willingness to ski down moral slopes (although I believe the Kennedy clan by and large had more intellectual firepower than the Trumps). It seems that the M.O. of many rich families is defraud, allow yourself to be sued, buy off the plaintiffs at 50 cents on the dollar (if that) with no admission of guilt, and proceed to the next victim. Lather, rinse, repeat. I think the Trumps are probably involved in all kinds of crap because they have been in a cash business that could conceivably launder vasts amounts of money.

As for too many laws, I can agree at a level because I've seen too many narrow and/or bad laws passed during my 40-plus years of being involved with the legislative process. There are too many lobbyists both at the state and national levels and a lot of them are there to tinker with one or two sentences, which adds to the complexity in the enforcement of laws. But if there's on place where there aren't enough laws, it's in campaign finance.

Agreed all around.

[57Brave]

Nominate a worthwhile candidate then. This is all a result of the establishment of both major parties forcing their guy down their parties throats with serious election fraud in the primaries to make sure the establishment guy won. People dont want the status quo guy anymore. Outsiders like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders had a lot of success in the primaries and a good sized base. Pretty good for a Libertarian and an Independent/green party in the Republican and Democratic race. Trump was even more of an outsider and its what made him.


Hillary can kiss my ass she would have been 8 more years of stalling on marijuana reform and liberals and the media wouldnt want to critisize her for it.

That's all well and good.
Two words

Ryan Zinke



2 words

[57Brave]

I should have probably rephrased. Instead of "plain" ignorance, I probably should have qualified it by writing "willful" ignorance or what I like to label being "purposefully obtuse."

This isn't just the Trumps. I think the Kennedys were similar in their willingness to ski down moral slopes (although I believe the Kennedy clan by and large had more intellectual firepower than the Trumps). It seems that the M.O. of many rich families is defraud, allow yourself to be sued, buy off the plaintiffs at 50 cents on the dollar (if that) with no admission of guilt, and proceed to the next victim. Lather, rinse, repeat. I think the Trumps are probably involved in all kinds of crap because they have been in a cash business that could conceivably launder vasts amounts of money.

As for too many laws, I can agree at a level because I've Kochs
aben too many narrow and/or bad laws passed during my 40-plus years of being involved with the legislative process. There are too many lobbyists both at the state and national levels and a lot of them are there to tinker with one or two sentences, which adds to the complexity in the enforcement of laws. But if there's on place where there aren't enough laws, it's in campaign finance.

and the Rockefellers
and the Tafts
and the roosevelts
and the Texans
and the Gores
and the romneys
and the Bush's

etc etc etc
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the Bernie Sanders' the Ron Paul come and go with the Longs and their un Ivy League ilk

[goldfly]

What's the implication i am making with that statement?


you really can't figure it out yet?


the republican party and the pro life crowd isn't actually pro life

it's pretty simple

you and they love a fetus

but yall ain't pro life