2018 Offseason And Targets

[clvclv]

It seems like this is a common fallback.

clv - "This might not be good/bad, but here are all the weird reasons why its probably good/bad"

retort - "That wasn't good/bad at all"

clv - "I never said it was good/bad! I said it might not be"

You're on an internet message board for crying out loud. People make points to create discussion.

The Supreme Court isn't going to issue a subpoena because someone's playing devil's advocate. Don't argue with anyone with a calculator because they couldn't possibly be wrong?

Jesus, a lot of you need to lighten up or you're going to need the same blood pressure medication I take.

[zbhargrove]

The fact that Syndergaard has accomplished exactly nothing in his career that will be remembered at this point - until they establish the WAR wing of the HOF.

Lol... so you were defending the trade...

[msstate7]

Mish updated and still has Braves as favorites at 35%, he doesn't even list the Dodgers.

Seems mish is the only one saying us. I guess everyone could be wrong but him, but seems more logical the other way

[zbhargrove]

You're on an internet message board for crying out loud. People make points to create discussion.

The Supreme Court isn't going to issue a subpoena because someone's playing devil's advocate. Don't argue with anyone with a calculator because they couldn't possibly be wrong?

Jesus, a lot of you need to lighten up or you're going to need the same blood pressure medication I take.

Dude you get more worked up and bothered more than anyone on here

[BeanieAntics]

The original post I responded to specifically referenced Matt saying "if we land JT then I could see a Neck deal working".

If you'd have taken the time to read the entire post, you'll see that I said that "I agree we need to upgrade the bench, but not at the expense of having a Markakis/Duvall platoon on a corner".

Again, if AA intends to dictate lineup construction to Snitker and FORCES him to play Camargo at specific times, that's fine. The truth is we all know this isn't going to happen. The Dodgers tried doing that with Roberts, and when it didn't work in the postseason and they tried to have him be the sacrificial lamb that managed strictly by the numbers he called them on it publicly and they all went running for cover.

No one has a problem with researching the numbers to find whatever edges they might provide you. However, if you're going to do that and force-feed in-game decisions to the "Manager", the GM needs to be standing right beside him during every press conference and answering "because I told him to" when the press asks him why he chose to make a move.

Wanna make a conditional board bet? If Camargo starts the season on the bench, I'll be you that he sees 400 plate appearances. If we do something weird like trade him or start him in the outfield, bet is a push. If he sees less than 400 PAs you win.

[BeanieAntics]

Dude you get more worked up and bothered more than anyone on here

Another common fallback

clv - "Makes bad point"

poster - "That's a bad point"

clv - "Makes a bad defense of point"

poster - "That's a bad defense of your point"

clv - (1 of 2 options): "Run out of porn?" or "This is a message board and everyone needs to lighten up"

This is the extra weird one because the fact that we are having a back and forth on something is the exact purpose of a message board. So he's trying to criticize us by saying that we are using the message board properly.

[clvclv]

1. Yes. We had no real viable options that were better than Ozzie because our bench was terrible. Even with a .757 OPS, he was still almost a 4 win player. He's good, but if he continues the horrific struggles vs righties, I don't think Snitker would have a problem siphoning off 1-2 starts per week from him. Especially if it came directly from AA.

2. If Culberson goes nuts like he did last year, perhaps not. But in all likelihood Culberson is looking down the barrel of significant regression and when that happens, yes Camargo would be the logical choice to take 1-2 starts per week from Dansby if it would benefit the lineup.

3. What the hell does Markakis have to do with this? I'm not expecting him back. But yes, even if he comes back it would be perfectly reasonable to give Camargo a start over Ender against a LHP. Maybe Duvall is your primary option if he gets back going, but if he doesn't: Camargo. And if we get a guy like Joc or Brantley or Peralta rather than Markakis, then both would have a role.

4. This is just a terrible point. You don't have to predict when Camargo gets hot and when a player gets cold to know that Camargo could serve as insurance against a cold streak. This might seriously be the weirdest point I've seen since arriving here.

My point is that every single baseball season is filled with dozens of variables and you have to have contingencies for every single one of those variables if you're gonna contend. Camargo buys insurance for a large portion of those variables, he provides direct impact by his platoon/pinch hit opportunities, and he does it making league minimum. Any club with half a brain can find a way to get Camargo 400+ plate appearances while serving a utility role. Look at the Dodger's starters last year. It was one of the best lineups in baseball. Probably better than we will roll out next year (although maybe not). Chris Taylor was their Camargo and he ended up getting over 500 at bats while playing almost every position on the field.

Chris Taylor logged 32 starts in CF - how many of those are you planning to give Johan?

[clvclv]

Lol... so you were defending the trade...

Go back and read my post - what were the first 5 words again?

[Braves1976]

Seems mish is the only one saying us. I guess everyone could be wrong but him, but seems more logical the other way

Actually it doesn't if you go by their past track records, etc.

[BeanieAntics]

Chris Taylor logged 32 starts in CF - how many of those are you planning to give Johan?

None, but Taylor only made 5 starts at 3rd base and 2nd base so I'll make up that ground there. Taylor made 128 starts last year at one position or another and had 604 plate appearances. We should shoot to get Camargo 90-100 starts with him serving as a late inning defensive sub and pinch hitter in games where he doesn't start. He easily reaches 400 PAs under those conditions.

[clvclv]

Wanna make a conditional board bet? If Camargo starts the season on the bench, I'll be you that he sees 400 plate appearances. If we do something weird like trade him or start him in the outfield, bet is a push. If he sees less than 400 PAs you win.

I'm the one pushing for him to get that many or more.

The chance of that happening if you sign Markakis and don't threaten to fire Snitker if he doesn't play Camargo instead of players who have been OFs defensively for their entire careers are very small. They just are. Snitker's not going to turn into Gabe Kapler overnight, especially after winning Manager Of The Year. He's an old-school guy, and he's going to manage with his gut as often as he does with the numbers you provide him as long as he's got a job. How many times did he run Biddle and Freeman out there to get lefties out when even Chip and Joe talked about their reverse splits?

Find a single time I've posted anything about wanting Camargo to play less - one. I've even campaigned for making him the everyday LF as well as replacing Dansby at SS for crying out loud.

[Heyward]

Seems mish is the only one saying us. I guess everyone could be wrong but him, but seems more logical the other way

Mish has broken trades before, have DOB or Bowman?

[clvclv]

None, but Taylor only made 5 starts at 3rd base and 2nd base so I'll make up that ground there. Taylor made 128 starts last year at one position or another and had 604 plate appearances. We should shoot to get Camargo 90-100 starts with him serving as a late inning defensive sub and pinch hitter in games where he doesn't start. He easily reaches 400 PAs under those conditions.

105 starts between CF and SS - and that's after Seager was out for the year.

Take 49 of those starts at SS away (meaning he'd have played there once a week to give Seager a blow), and you're quickly running out of ABs.

24 starts at 2B, 24 starts at SS, and 24 starts at 3B doesn't approach your 100 start floor.

[Braves1976]

Mish has broken trades before, have DOB or Bowman?

The latter are proven mouthpieces for the Braves that don't break any big deals as you suggest. And as talkingchop noted "Mish, who is locked-in to the Miami front office and broke the Christian Yelich and Marcel Ozuna trades last winter, has maintained that the Braves are very interested in Realmuto despite signing Brian McCann and extending Tyler Flowers.''

[msstate7]

Mish has broken trades before, have DOB or Bowman?

I don't follow any of these guys. How credible is nightengale?

[Hudson2]

Who besides me doesn’t care about the debate between Thor and Dickey?

[clvclv]

Another common fallback

clv - "Makes bad point"

poster - "That's a bad point"

clv - "Makes a bad defense of point"

poster - "That's a bad defense of your point"

clv - (1 of 2 options): "Run out of porn?" or "This is a message board and everyone needs to lighten up"

This is the extra weird one because the fact that we are having a back and forth on something is the exact purpose of a message board. So he's trying to criticize us by saying that we are using the message board properly.

This works both ways - if no one points out something instead of kissing your *ss every time you post something, you'd get awfully bored reading your own posts for hours on end.

Or maybe not - is that you Bill???

[bravesfanforlife88]

You’d have to imagine this is a good sign for the braves chances at getting Realmuto

[Hudson2]

It all depends on if AA still has his offer on the table. If he does then I think we get him.

[CrimsonCowboy]