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    Braves Sign Kurt Suzuki

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    Sure, why not?

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    Hope it's an MiLB deal. Supposedly handles a staff well, but very uninspiring when it comes to defensive metrics.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ca...d.php?id=49076

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    Looks like Coppalella doesn't value framing the way Enscheff thinks he should.

    Suzuki was the guy the Twins were blaming for their poor pitching. -5.0 on the Stat Corner listing on framing. So we got one who can't catch and the other can't throw.

    One more (raises hand) who hopes that means we're going all-out for Lucroy next offseason.

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    1 year, 1.5 MM ... 2.5 MM with incentives.

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    Makes sense as a backup for Flowers and that's a backup-like contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    1 year, 1.5 MM ... 2.5 MM with incentives.

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    Projection systems on Recker and Suzuki. About the same.

    Recker
    Steamer: 217 / 299 / 369; WAR per 600 PA: 1.6
    ZIPS: 211 / 300 / 368; WAR per 600 PA: 1.0

    Suzuki
    Steamer: 254 / 307 / 369; WAR per 600 PA: 1.4
    ZIPS: 255 / 305 / 359; WAR per 600 PA: 1.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    1 year, 1.5 MM ... 2.5 MM with incentives.
    Aye yai yai

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    Looks like Coppalella doesn't value framing the way Enscheff thinks he should.

    Suzuki was the guy the Twins were blaming for their poor pitching. -5.0 on the Stat Corner listing on framing. So we got one who can't catch and the other can't throw.

    One more (raises hand) who hopes that means we're going all-out for Lucroy next offseason.
    I think they value it just fine considering they haven't made any attempts to sign Wieters, were in on Castro, brought in Gosewich, and signed Suzuki to be the backup for peanuts. In Suzuki's defense, he has improved from dreadful to simply below average in pitch framing. All things considered, I bet Suzuki and Wieters end up producing very similarly rate-wise next year (Wieters slightly more offense, Suzuki slightly more defense).

    I agree they will be in heavily for Lucroy. His contract starts at Martin's, then add 10%. I'm guessing the narrative around Lucroy will be that since he is a more athletic catcher he will age better than catchers typically do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    Hope it's an MiLB deal. Supposedly handles a staff well, but very uninspiring when it comes to defensive metrics.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ca...d.php?id=49076
    Now we just need to Braves to realize they have no viable options for a 4th OFer and get your boy Jennings. Add a LHed hitting IFer. Bench compete and let's go win 80 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    Looks like Coppalella doesn't value framing the way Enscheff thinks he should.
    It couldn't have required that much foresight for him to have read an update at MLBTR, then regurgitate it here. Kind of like those who follow DOB Twitter feeds. "Lucroy, Lucroy, Lucroy!...and did I mention LUCROY???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I think they value it just fine considering they haven't made any attempts to sign Wieters, were in on Castro, brought in Gosewich, and signed Suzuki to be the backup for peanuts. In Suzuki's defense, he has improved from dreadful to simply below average in pitch framing. All things considered, I bet Suzuki and Wieters end up producing very similarly rate-wise next year (Wieters slightly more offense, Suzuki slightly more defense).

    I agree they will be in heavily for Lucroy. His contract starts at Martin's, then add 10%. I'm guessing the narrative around Lucroy will be that since he is a more athletic catcher he will age better than catchers typically do.
    If there's any improvement from Recker to Suzuki, it's incremental, particularly if you're a person who values framing. I suppose for $1.5m it's not a big deal.

    Although R Martin is a pretty athletic catcher as well, I think you're about right on the price on Lucroy. And I'd be willing to go there. I think he's the best catcher in the game, bar none.

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    I don't get this.

    There are no bad one year deals. This is cheap. It's not worth fighting about

    I just don't get this unless they think they can trade Rickee for something they want.

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    Considering how the catching market played out this off-season I think our best options were

    1) to have slightly topped the winning bid for Castro or

    2) To have slightly topped what the Astros sent to the Yankees for McCann

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    Great move.

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    One last nerdy post on catching metrics. Well . . . for today anyway. For my money, the most useful single catching metric is FRAA_ADJ from Baseball Prospectus. Includes framing, blocking throwing, fielding, etc. There are 24 catchers who had at least 4000 framing chances in both 2015 and 2016.

    Here are the top 5 (order 1 - 5). No surprises at all here.
    Yasmani Grandal
    Buster Posey
    Jason Castro
    Tyler Flowers
    Francisco Cervelli

    Here are the bottom 5 (order 20 - 24). Only surprise for me here was Realmuto.
    Kurt Suzuki
    Welington Castillo
    J.t. Realmuto
    Stephen Vogt
    Nick Hundley

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    Great move.
    Why? Can you tell me why this is better than recker?

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    Meh - I'd rather have recker but its such a small difference its not worth arguing about it.
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