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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    If you're the luckiest team 3 years in a row, it's probably more than luck
    The big achievement is being good enough over 486 games to reach the playoffs thrice consecutively. The smaller achievement, it seems to me, is being good-plus-lucky enough over 33-60 games—but it definitely starts getting much closer to a normative sample.
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    There’s a reason I used 3 in the comparison as opposed to the 5 number that [MENTION=1811]msstate7[/MENTION] facetiously put out there. Obviously, winning 5 straight WS would be insane in this day and age. But I believe 3 consecutive WS and 14 straight division titles are pretty comparable.

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    how often has a baseball team won 14 straight division titles?

    how often has a team won 3 straight world series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    There’s a reason I used 3 in the comparison as opposed to the 5 number that [MENTION=1811]msstate7[/MENTION] facetiously put out there. Obviously, winning 5 straight WS would be insane in this day and age. But I believe 3 consecutive WS and 14 straight division titles are pretty comparable.
    Agreed—I do think it’s where the comparison starts to get interesting.

    But, for perspective: being the best of a five-team division over fourteen seasons is a 2268-game sample (though obviously, for the Braves, the strike and divisional realignment means the sample and its stakes are slightly different). Meanwhile, competing in fourteen straight postseasons (under current postseason format) is still only between ~0.9-1.7 seasons worth of a sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    how often has a baseball team won 14 straight division titles?

    how often has a team won 3 straight world series?

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    The question was most impressive not more statistically likely. Defense rest it’s case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    The question was most impressive not more statistically likely. Defense rest it’s case.
    oh I understand...there are some things like losing a record number of games that are statistically unlikely but not impressive

    but the question was comparing two things that involve excellence...and the one that is more rare statistically SHOULD be considered more impressive

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    Anyone else put an asterisk on that 14 because of 1994? I always feel weird about that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maddux_cy's View Post
    Anyone else put an asterisk on that 14 because of 1994? I always feel weird about that one.
    Nah, The Braves came from 10.5 down after the break in 1993, so I don't feel bad shafting the Expos. We don't know what would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    oh I understand...there are some things like losing a record number of games that are statistically unlikely but not impressive

    but the question was comparing two things that involve excellence...and the one that is more impressive SHOULD be the one that is more difficult to accomplish

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    Then I motion to throw out data of historical records. Saying look how many times team won 3 straight WS vs 14 division titles is not comparable because the divisions were split in 94 and thus making it easier to win a division title. In fact the Braves streak would have ended after only 9 titles if all things stayed the same. Because the Giants has the better record in 2000.

    It is clear winning a division of 5 teams is much less impressive. And although 14 has never been matched there also has not been the historical opportunity given to reach such feats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Then I motion to throw out data of historical records. Saying look how many times team won 3 straight WS vs 14 division titles is not comparable because the divisions were split in 94 and thus making it easier to win a division title. In fact the Braves streak would have ended after only 9 titles if all things stayed the same. Because the Giants has the better record in 2000.

    It is clear winning a division of 5 teams is much less impressive. And although 14 has never been matched there also has not been the historical opportunity given to reach such feats.

    So prior to the Braves getting 14, the previous record was 5.

    So even if you want to not count the last 5 division titles for ... reasons .... the Braves still shattered the prior record with the 9 you feel comfortable crediting them with.

    As for it being easier than it used to be, the longest postseason appearance streak since the Braves/Yankees streaks ended is the Dodgers current 6 year streak (which happens to be 6 Division Titles as well).

    No one else has gotten more than 5 consecutive postseasons.

    So the Braves success remains singular.

    In contrast, four teams have won three consecutive World Series.

    If you asked me which one I would rather have, I'd take the titles. If you asked me which was harder to do, no question I'd pick the divisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    So prior to the Braves getting 14, the previous record was 5.

    So even if you want to not count the last 5 division titles for ... reasons .... the Braves still shattered the prior record with the 9 you feel comfortable crediting them with.

    As for it being easier than it used to be, the longest postseason appearance streak since the Braves/Yankees streaks ended is the Dodgers current 6 year streak (which happens to be 6 Division Titles as well).

    No one else has gotten more than 5 consecutive postseasons.

    So the Braves success remains singular.

    In contrast, four teams have won three consecutive World Series.

    If you asked me which one I would rather have, I'd take the titles. If you asked me which was harder to do, no question I'd pick the divisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    There’s a reason I used 3 in the comparison as opposed to the 5 number that [MENTION=1811]msstate7[/MENTION] facetiously put out there. Obviously, winning 5 straight WS would be insane in this day and age. But I believe 3 consecutive WS and 14 straight division titles are pretty comparable.
    Much rather win 3 straight. Shoot I'd trade the next 10 years if we could win it all this year.

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    I'm sure this is a make or break year for Ozzie. I could see the organization making him an exclusively RHH if he has a second half nosedive like last season.
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    Here is a question, would you rather make the playoffs and have a competitive team for 10 years straight with only a 5% chance of winning the World Series or have one year with a 95% chance of winning the World Series, but its guaranteed that you'll be terrible for the next 9 years.

    I like scruples questions like these lol

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    I would trade all the years for one World Series title. That's the goal of this whole process, man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Here is a question, would you rather make the playoffs and have a competitive team for 10 years straight with only a 5% chance of winning the World Series or have one year with a 95% chance of winning the World Series, but its guaranteed that you'll be terrible for the next 9 years.

    I like scruples questions like these lol
    This is basically would rather be the 90s Braves or have the Marlins 2 titles.

    Easy call. Braves. If you can find a Marlins fan who is honest, they'd probably agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherders View Post
    I would trade all the years for one World Series title. That's the goal of this whole process, man!
    We did win one. If we had not won the one, it might be a different calculation.

    I'd rather be the 90s-00s Yankees, but not many orgs I would trade with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    This is basically would rather be the 90s Braves or have the Marlins 2 titles.

    Easy call. Braves. If you can find a Marlins fan who is honest, they'd probably agree.
    Yup. Easy call for me too between Marlins and Braves over that period.

    Plus I think the way the team is currently set up, we can maximize our chances for winning a world series (or multiple WS for that matter) by trying to keep that window open as long as possible. The rebuild (as much through luck as design) has gone about as well as could be hoped for. You have players willing to take below market deals to play for the Braves. We just have to trust the process (which will include some moves to shore up the pen this mid-season).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Here is a question, would you rather make the playoffs and have a competitive team for 10 years straight with only a 5% chance of winning the World Series or have one year with a 95% chance of winning the World Series, but its guaranteed that you'll be terrible for the next 9 years.

    I like scruples questions like these lol
    10 years of playoffs with a chance to win it all every year, no question. I consider sustainability the ultimate measure of success.

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