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    If nothing else comes out of Freeman testing the move to 3B other than this thread, it was worth it.

    What an awesome discussion.

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    I hope it works out for him to play some at 3B, but I'd like to see McGriff at 1B and Klesko in LF, too.

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    Next thing you know Freddie is going to try switch hitting too.
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    A saw an interesting reader post on Adams at Fangraphs:

    “Nothing about Adams has changed since joining the Braves except for his HR/FB rate”

    – K% dropped from 32% with the Cards to 21% with the Braves (supported by a SwStr drop from 16% to 12%)
    – Contact has jumped from 69% (Cards) to 76% (Braves)
    – Hard hit% increased from 34% with the Cards to 42% with the Braves
    – LD% has gone from 12% to 17% (LD% admittedly doesn’t stabilize forever, but this is what has happened)

    Suggesting that nothing has changed is just foolish. Not saying that Adams will entirely keep up what he’s doing, but there are definitely changes besides his HR/FB rate.

    xStats has Adams at an expected triple slash (for the year) of .288/.338/.566 based on his batted balls and plate discipline #s (along with an xBABIP of .316). His actual line is .293/.344/.575 (BABIP .327), which is as close as it gets (basically he’s gotten ‘lucky’ to the tune of 3 extra singles). His expected line included 12 homers, and he’s hit… 12 homers (although he’s only at 7 expected HRs in June and actually has 9, he was expected to have 2 in April and didn’t hit any).

    To be clear, these expected #s are calculated by taking into account “the vertical and horizontal launch angles, exit velocities, batted ball distances, game time temperature, and ball park,” and then pairing that with actual plate discipline #s (K and BB rates). So Adams has earned his 12 HRs suggesting his 22% HR/FB for the year has been fairly deserved.

    By the way, he did sustain a 22% HR/FB for the 2013 season (although only 319 PAs), and in that year he ran a 135 wRC+. Again not saying Adams will sustain this exact high level of production for the rest of the year, but it’s not like he’s gotten amazingly lucky and had the wind carry out 5 of his homers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    A saw an interesting reader post on Adams at Fangraphs:

    “Nothing about Adams has changed since joining the Braves except for his HR/FB rate”

    – K% dropped from 32% with the Cards to 21% with the Braves (supported by a SwStr drop from 16% to 12%)
    – Contact has jumped from 69% (Cards) to 76% (Braves)
    – Hard hit% increased from 34% with the Cards to 42% with the Braves
    – LD% has gone from 12% to 17% (LD% admittedly doesn’t stabilize forever, but this is what has happened)

    Suggesting that nothing has changed is just foolish. Not saying that Adams will entirely keep up what he’s doing, but there are definitely changes besides his HR/FB rate.

    xStats has Adams at an expected triple slash (for the year) of .288/.338/.566 based on his batted balls and plate discipline #s (along with an xBABIP of .316). His actual line is .293/.344/.575 (BABIP .327), which is as close as it gets (basically he’s gotten ‘lucky’ to the tune of 3 extra singles). His expected line included 12 homers, and he’s hit… 12 homers (although he’s only at 7 expected HRs in June and actually has 9, he was expected to have 2 in April and didn’t hit any).

    To be clear, these expected #s are calculated by taking into account “the vertical and horizontal launch angles, exit velocities, batted ball distances, game time temperature, and ball park,” and then pairing that with actual plate discipline #s (K and BB rates). So Adams has earned his 12 HRs suggesting his 22% HR/FB for the year has been fairly deserved.

    By the way, he did sustain a 22% HR/FB for the 2013 season (although only 319 PAs), and in that year he ran a 135 wRC+. Again not saying Adams will sustain this exact high level of production for the rest of the year, but it’s not like he’s gotten amazingly lucky and had the wind carry out 5 of his homers.
    You do know the all knowing Oracle, aka Enscheff, is going to rip this apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    A saw an interesting reader post on Adams at Fangraphs:

    “Nothing about Adams has changed since joining the Braves except for his HR/FB rate”

    – K% dropped from 32% with the Cards to 21% with the Braves (supported by a SwStr drop from 16% to 12%)
    – Contact has jumped from 69% (Cards) to 76% (Braves)
    – Hard hit% increased from 34% with the Cards to 42% with the Braves
    – LD% has gone from 12% to 17% (LD% admittedly doesn’t stabilize forever, but this is what has happened)

    Suggesting that nothing has changed is just foolish. Not saying that Adams will entirely keep up what he’s doing, but there are definitely changes besides his HR/FB rate.

    xStats has Adams at an expected triple slash (for the year) of .288/.338/.566 based on his batted balls and plate discipline #s (along with an xBABIP of .316). His actual line is .293/.344/.575 (BABIP .327), which is as close as it gets (basically he’s gotten ‘lucky’ to the tune of 3 extra singles). His expected line included 12 homers, and he’s hit… 12 homers (although he’s only at 7 expected HRs in June and actually has 9, he was expected to have 2 in April and didn’t hit any).

    To be clear, these expected #s are calculated by taking into account “the vertical and horizontal launch angles, exit velocities, batted ball distances, game time temperature, and ball park,” and then pairing that with actual plate discipline #s (K and BB rates). So Adams has earned his 12 HRs suggesting his 22% HR/FB for the year has been fairly deserved.

    By the way, he did sustain a 22% HR/FB for the 2013 season (although only 319 PAs), and in that year he ran a 135 wRC+. Again not saying Adams will sustain this exact high level of production for the rest of the year, but it’s not like he’s gotten amazingly lucky and had the wind carry out 5 of his homers.
    Nice post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    A saw an interesting reader post on Adams at Fangraphs:

    “Nothing about Adams has changed since joining the Braves except for his HR/FB rate”

    – K% dropped from 32% with the Cards to 21% with the Braves (supported by a SwStr drop from 16% to 12%)
    – Contact has jumped from 69% (Cards) to 76% (Braves)
    – Hard hit% increased from 34% with the Cards to 42% with the Braves
    – LD% has gone from 12% to 17% (LD% admittedly doesn’t stabilize forever, but this is what has happened)

    Suggesting that nothing has changed is just foolish. Not saying that Adams will entirely keep up what he’s doing, but there are definitely changes besides his HR/FB rate.

    xStats has Adams at an expected triple slash (for the year) of .288/.338/.566 based on his batted balls and plate discipline #s (along with an xBABIP of .316). His actual line is .293/.344/.575 (BABIP .327), which is as close as it gets (basically he’s gotten ‘lucky’ to the tune of 3 extra singles). His expected line included 12 homers, and he’s hit… 12 homers (although he’s only at 7 expected HRs in June and actually has 9, he was expected to have 2 in April and didn’t hit any).

    To be clear, these expected #s are calculated by taking into account “the vertical and horizontal launch angles, exit velocities, batted ball distances, game time temperature, and ball park,” and then pairing that with actual plate discipline #s (K and BB rates). So Adams has earned his 12 HRs suggesting his 22% HR/FB for the year has been fairly deserved.

    By the way, he did sustain a 22% HR/FB for the 2013 season (although only 319 PAs), and in that year he ran a 135 wRC+. Again not saying Adams will sustain this exact high level of production for the rest of the year, but it’s not like he’s gotten amazingly lucky and had the wind carry out 5 of his homers.
    Thanks. Since he's had a 22% HR rate over a significant number of at bats before, maintaining his current 22% HR rate may be feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    Joke's on you for not understanding the principles upon which the largest economy in the history of the world was built.
    Trickle down economics has been proven pretty conclusively to be a bunch of nonsense that doesn't work. It is just a way billionaires try to excuse their tax cuts, it's nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    A saw an interesting reader post on Adams at Fangraphs:

    “Nothing about Adams has changed since joining the Braves except for his HR/FB rate”

    – K% dropped from 32% with the Cards to 21% with the Braves (supported by a SwStr drop from 16% to 12%)
    – Contact has jumped from 69% (Cards) to 76% (Braves)
    – Hard hit% increased from 34% with the Cards to 42% with the Braves
    – LD% has gone from 12% to 17% (LD% admittedly doesn’t stabilize forever, but this is what has happened)

    Suggesting that nothing has changed is just foolish. Not saying that Adams will entirely keep up what he’s doing, but there are definitely changes besides his HR/FB rate.

    xStats has Adams at an expected triple slash (for the year) of .288/.338/.566 based on his batted balls and plate discipline #s (along with an xBABIP of .316). His actual line is .293/.344/.575 (BABIP .327), which is as close as it gets (basically he’s gotten ‘lucky’ to the tune of 3 extra singles). His expected line included 12 homers, and he’s hit… 12 homers (although he’s only at 7 expected HRs in June and actually has 9, he was expected to have 2 in April and didn’t hit any).

    To be clear, these expected #s are calculated by taking into account “the vertical and horizontal launch angles, exit velocities, batted ball distances, game time temperature, and ball park,” and then pairing that with actual plate discipline #s (K and BB rates). So Adams has earned his 12 HRs suggesting his 22% HR/FB for the year has been fairly deserved.

    By the way, he did sustain a 22% HR/FB for the 2013 season (although only 319 PAs), and in that year he ran a 135 wRC+. Again not saying Adams will sustain this exact high level of production for the rest of the year, but it’s not like he’s gotten amazingly lucky and had the wind carry out 5 of his homers.
    That was a reply to Enscheff at Fangraphs. We do realize that is him that was negged about 200 hundred times in that thread, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachoo View Post
    That was a reply to Enscheff at Fangraphs. We do realize that is him that was negged about 200 hundred times in that thread, right?
    Gotta link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Gotta link?
    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fred...ay-third-base/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachoo View Post
    Trickle down economics has been proven pretty conclusively to be a bunch of nonsense that doesn't work. It is just a way billionaires try to excuse their tax cuts, it's nonsense.
    This is not true at all- just a nonsensical class warfare talking point.

    Again, if you can explain how an economy without a massive amount of capital at the top can work, I'm all ears.

    Our military strength and social safety nets are the result of that capital "trickling down"- you and others have it ass backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachoo View Post
    That was a reply to Enscheff at Fangraphs. We do realize that is him that was negged about 200 hundred times in that thread, right?
    lol that's funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    This is not true at all- just a nonsensical class warfare talking point.

    Again, if you can explain how an economy without a massive amount of capital at the top can work, I'm all ears.

    Our military strength and social safety nets are the result of that capital "trickling down"- you and others have it ass backwards.

    Further, here's a list of average annual GDP growth rates (data via tradingeconomies):

    USA (since 1947)- 3.22%
    Australia (since 1959)- 0.86%
    Canada (since 1961)- 0.79%
    France (since 1949)- 0.79%
    United Kingdom (since 1955)- 0.61%
    Italy (since 1960)- 0.60%
    Germany (since 1970)- 0.51%

    What could possibly be the difference?!

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    This is not the forum for politics. Please refrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    Further, here's a list of average annual GDP growth rates (data via tradingeconomies):

    USA (since 1947)- 3.22%
    Australia (since 1959)- 0.86%
    Canada (since 1961)- 0.79%
    France (since 1949)- 0.79%
    United Kingdom (since 1955)- 0.61%
    Italy (since 1960)- 0.60%
    Germany (since 1970)- 0.51%

    What could possibly be the difference?!
    As thethe said this is not the forum for politics so I'm not going to argue with you after this, but those numbers are complete bull****. From tradingeconomics:

    "GDP Annual Growth Rate France averaged 3.19 percent from 1950 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in the United Kingdom averaged 2.45 percent from 1956 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in Australia averaged 3.47 percent from 1960 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in Canada averaged 3.18 percent from 1962 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in Italy averaged 2.44 percent from 1961 until 2017"

    I'm not including Germany because I'm not sure how their data handles the East/West split and reunification, but good lord did you really think no one would check your numbers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawwr View Post
    As thethe said this is not the forum for politics so I'm not going to argue with you after this, but those numbers are complete bull****. From tradingeconomics:

    "GDP Annual Growth Rate France averaged 3.19 percent from 1950 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in the United Kingdom averaged 2.45 percent from 1956 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in Australia averaged 3.47 percent from 1960 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in Canada averaged 3.18 percent from 1962 until 2017"
    "GDP Annual Growth Rate in Italy averaged 2.44 percent from 1961 until 2017"

    I'm not including Germany because I'm not sure how their data handles the East/West split and reunification, but good lord did you really think no one would check your numbers? I'd expect a lack of basic knowledge from someone who says something like "Again, if you can explain how an economy without a massive amount of capital at the top can work, I'm all ears" (and simply comparing GDP growth rates over different time periods is a sign of that), but straight up fabricating numbers is just sad.
    I apologize for being thread police-y, but that's not refraining, that is getting in a shot after the bell has rung.

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    Adams has really trimmed down, become more athletic, and more selective. He always had potential. Like Flowers we may have a late bloomer. His peripherals are worlds better than his career averages. Keeps it up he's a different player and a he'll of a pick up. How have his lefty splits since coming over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomahawkCult View Post
    I apologize for being thread police-y, but that's not refraining, that is getting in a shot after the bell has rung.
    You're right. I edited my post to remove the more political parts. A mod can feel free to delete the rest of my post if they want, but I'd hope they would do the same to the post I quoted in that case.

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