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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    I agree with you that there is not an equivalence, but would violence have occurred at all if the violent left had chosen to stay at home?
    Every other recent klan rally or whatever had been peaceful. Everytime antifa gets together there's been a mini-riot. That should answer your question

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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBrave View Post
    Trump might as well been standing with a noose around his neck, he hung himself.
    To rational people, he politically hung himself. We don't live in rational times. Now we have this guy to completely embarrass us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Every other recent klan rally or whatever had been peaceful. Everytime antifa gets together there's been a mini-riot. That should answer your question
    I guess antifa made that dude mow down 20 people with his car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    In my opinion? Yes. Had antifa not been there, there still would have been violence, and one can easily find first-hand accounts that suggest as much.

    I appreciate your good faith response and your recognition of the false equivalence.


    What recent alt-white or klan rally turned violent like that? We all know you hate trump but back up why you think there would had been violence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
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    Top GOP strategist emails that a break between Trump and the GOP now "inevitable."
    Believe it when I see it. Very few of them have the balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    I do feel sorry for my righty brethren when I have a close encounter with what they have to tolerate as comedy.

    I checked that dude's timeline out and this was his best banter, which isn't saying much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    In my opinion? Yes. Had antifa not been there, there still would have been violence, and one can easily find first-hand accounts that suggest as much.

    I appreciate your good faith response and your recognition of the false equivalence.
    I think now you might be the one making a false equivalency. You honestly think that if peaceful protesters showed up and the nazi's weren't anticipating violence from those protesters that we would have seen anywhere near the violence we saw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I do feel sorry for my righty brethren when I have a close encounter with what they have to tolerate as comedy.

    I checked that dude's timeline out and this was his best banter, which isn't saying much.
    triggered.

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    Not sure if it's been posted in here yet but has anyone watched the video piece Vice did? They brought shields and guns were close by. They were Nazis and they were terrorists advocating the ethnic cleansing of this country. If I lived anywhere nearby I would have been right there shouting them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Not sure if it's been posted in here yet but has anyone watched the video piece Vice did? They brought shields and guns were close by. They were Nazis and they were terrorists advocating the ethnic cleansing of this country. If I lived anywhere nearby I would have been right there shouting them down.
    I think Zito posted it earlier, and I think everyone should watch it. It clarifies some things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    triggered.
    Totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    I agree with you that there is not an equivalence, but would violence have occurred at all if the violent left had chosen to stay at home?
    Is the argument here that everyone should have just let the Nazis and Klansmen have their rally and not stood up to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I guess antifa made that dude mow down 20 people with his car.
    Their violent uprising against hate speech was obviously a factor in the events that led to this terrorism. And defending them will only lead to more violence which will likely lead to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Every other recent klan rally or whatever had been peaceful. Everytime antifa gets together there's been a mini-riot. That should answer your question
    I find it shocking that racist white dudes can manage to peacefully coexist with other racist white dudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    What recent alt-white or klan rally turned violent like that? We all know you hate trump but back up why you think there would had been violence?
    Antifa was there to scrap, and so were the WNs. There's plenty of evidence of instigation going both ways. There's also plenty of evidence of unprovoked aggression against counter protesters, whose speech is every bit as protected as those of the nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I find it shocking that racist white dudes can manage to peacefully coexist with other racist white dudes.
    Those guys pretty much all hate each other, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Those guys pretty much all hate each other, too.
    This is valid, but I'm not going to give Klansmen a ****ing cookie for managing to not kill each other during their Klan rally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    Is the argument here that everyone should have just let the Nazis and Klansmen have their rally and not stood up to them?
    They should have let them have their rally and stud up to them through peaceful but destructive speech that would have won out in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    Their violent uprising against hate speech was obviously a factor in the events that led to this terrorism. And defending them will only lead to more violence which will likely lead to death.
    That's an impressive victim-blaming pretzel that I'd love to see you apply to other incidents of extremist violence.

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