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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    An elite defensive RF might end up being only a decent to good defensive center fielder.
    Maybe, but it's likely he'll still be very good defensively, and you'll also get the opposite offensively, where his offense will have more value in CF than in RF.

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    Shanks talking about it now.

    Slamming the deal. 23 million a year for defense?

    Take your kids out with a glove, don't even need a bat, just a glove.

    I have to agree with him that his defense isn't worth that much money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy View Post
    Shanks talking about it now.

    Slamming the deal. 23 million a year for defense?

    Take your kids out with a glove, don't even need a bat, just a glove.

    I have to agree with him that his defense isn't worth that much money.
    Defense made the Royals the best team in the AL and won them the World Series. It's somewhat important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy View Post
    Shanks talking about it now.

    Slamming the deal. 23 million a year for defense?

    Take your kids out with a glove, don't even need a bat, just a glove.

    I have to agree with him that his defense isn't worth that much money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Defense made the Royals the best team in the AL and won them the World Series. It's somewhat important.
    Schwarber botching balls in LF last year against the Mets in the LCS hurt a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Don View Post
    Schwarber botching balls in LF last year against the Mets in the LCS hurt a lot.
    Yeah. I can understand someones argument that runs saved isn't equal to runs created thus their WAR is skewed a bit. But even if Heyward was an average defender in right his offense and base running a lone makes him a 4 WAR player in 2015. That alone makes him deserving of this AAV. Some people just don't get the current state of baseball economics.

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    And it's not like Heyward is bad offensively. 121 wRC+ is good for RF and elite in CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy View Post
    Shanks talking about it now.

    Slamming the deal. 23 million a year for defense?

    Take your kids out with a glove, don't even need a bat, just a glove.

    I have to agree with him that his defense isn't worth that much money.
    Shanks is perhaps the dumbest "baseball guy" that has a job within the industry. If you ever find yourself agreeing with him, rest assured you're just as dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy View Post
    Shanks talking about it now.

    Slamming the deal. 23 million a year for defense?

    Take your kids out with a glove, don't even need a bat, just a glove.

    I have to agree with him that his defense isn't worth that much money.
    He's not getting $23 million for his glove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampere View Post
    And it's not like Heyward is bad offensively. 121 wRC+ is good for RF and elite in CF.
    agree.

    It's not like he's bad on offense. He just isn't close to his hype. He's still a really good player.

    Maybe he's just going to bet on himself like Revis did in the NFL. He's still got 180 plus million that his now. But he'll have opt outs and probably incentives where he'll make a lot more if he's healthy and plays like he has most of his career.

    He's not Simmons in RF. He's a much better hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    agree.

    It's not like he's bad on offense. He just isn't close to his hype. He's still a really good player.

    Maybe he's just going to bet on himself like Revis did in the NFL. He's still got 180 plus million that his now. But he'll have opt outs and probably incentives where he'll make a lot more if he's healthy and plays like he has most of his career.

    He's not Simmons in RF. He's a much better hitter.
    Agree with all of this.

    People like Shanks severely underrate the importance of just being a good all-around baseball player and not hurting your team or offering no value in any area. Either that, or they're still just irate that Heyward never became an absolute superstar, which is stupid.

    Heyward is a good hitter (he is), a great baserunner, and an elite defensive player. Guess what? That's really valuable to a baseball team.

    For all the flaws WAR may have, and regardless of what you think of it, its biggest asset is that it began to combine all facets of the game into one rating. Nothing is overlooked or ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    agree.

    It's not like he's bad on offense. He just isn't close to his hype. He's still a really good player.

    Maybe he's just going to bet on himself like Revis did in the NFL. He's still got 180 plus million that his now. But he'll have opt outs and probably incentives where he'll make a lot more if he's healthy and plays like he has most of his career.

    He's not Simmons in RF. He's a much better hitter.
    I think that has a lot to do with it. He hasn't lived up to the hype offensively so he's obviously a dissapointment. Similar to Andruw that some people just can't appreciate what he actually does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    If the Cards need a gold glove RF Markakis can be made available....
    Considering they offered Price 180+ and Heyward 200+, i highly doubt they'll settle for Markakis. They'd essentially be conceding the division to Chi for the next 3-4 years.

    They're expected to go after Alex Gordon anyway per Nightendale.

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    Glad he went to the Cubs.

    Nats window is closing, they'll probably lose Strasburg next winter, and the Cards while still good dont have the pieces the Cubs do.

    He's always raked in Chicago. Also a LOT less pressure that he wont be forced to carry the team offensively with guys like Rizzo, Schwarber, Bryant, maybe Soler all who are 30+ HR threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Probably 8/184.

    Wow, the Braves should have been in the mix if that's really all it took.
    Why would he come to the Braves who are 2-3 years away from contending?

    It was about the situation, Cubs were the best situation for him.

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    He can still opt out after 3 years. He landed in a good spot. I'm glad we didn't pay him 23+ mill a year. And I'm a huge jhey fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Unless it was the full $50 million, it wouldn't have been enough of a hometown discount.

    And I thought all you folks believe that NOBODY'S going to sign with the Braves for less than market value. Going to laugh like *ell if Maddon puts him at the top of the lineup and he whines about it.
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    What an absolute bargain.

    So much for saying Heyward would go to the highest bidder. So much for saying he doesn't want to win. So much for saying we actually made a good effort to sign him.

    Thank goodness we got that sweet trade for Shelby the other day.. can't imagine how I'd be feeling otherwise.

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