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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry View Post
    Both Keuchel and Kimbrel have qualifying offers which means loss of draft pick. If the Braves passed on Pollock at reasonable money to sign either one of those guys, somebody needs to be fired. WTH did you draft and trade for all those pitchers if you aren't going to pitch any of them and aren't going to trade any?

    Watch, Braves will sign one of these guys on a $18M one year deal and everybody will say what a genius AA is. BS

    If you want to improve the rotation do something significant and trade for Kluber (or, lesser then Paxton...too late).

    Bottom line is that it's pretty clear that they don't have the cash to make big moves to help 2019 and think they are too far away to spend a bunch of prospect capital on 2019, thinking 2020 and beyond is the target.
    I agree the Braves don't have much money but an inury prone 31 year old Pollock for 4 years isn't something a team like the Braves should gamble on right now.

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    Only reason to even think about signing Kimbrel is if we can get JTR and a good outfielder and make a run at going deep into the postseason. Kimbrel on the current team is a waste.

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    Who would have thought Harper, Machado, Kimbrel plus others would still be available...in February ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I agree the Braves don't have much money but an inury prone 31 year old Pollock for 4 years isn't something a team like the Braves should gamble on right now.
    I'm not saying they absolutely should have signed Pollock. I'm saying if they passed on him only to sign Keuchel or Kimbrel then someone needs their head checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry View Post
    I'm not saying they absolutely should have signed Pollock. I'm saying if they passed on him only to sign Keuchel or Kimbrel then someone needs their head checked.
    Depends on the length and money of those contracts. Kimbrel I am not enamored with because high priced relievers are a bad value for mid market teams like the Braves. Keuchel is another story though and would be a big improvement on the staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Depends on the length and money of those contracts. Kimbrel I am not enamored with because high priced relievers are a bad value for mid market teams like the Braves. Keuchel is another story though and would be a big improvement on the staff.
    Unless we trade a few starting pitchers...would we seriously not have a starting spot for any of our young pitchers?? What’s the point of drafting so many to have cheap controllable pitchers and the go sign others to not so cheap deals and not only not use, but also not develop those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    Unless we trade a few starting pitchers...would we seriously not have a starting spot for any of our young pitchers?? What’s the point of drafting so many to have cheap controllable pitchers and the go sign others to not so cheap deals and not only not use, but also not develop those guys.
    Trades and injuries will happen.

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    I wouldn’t give Kimbrel more than 1 year 10.

    If we are going to do 15 million for multiple years I’d rather have someone like keichel.

    To upgrade the pen we have Weigel , Gohara, fried, etc.

    My first priority would be another 3 plus win position player. Then I’d go starter. I don’t see money for a big pen piece. We might not have any money at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry View Post
    Both Keuchel and Kimbrel have qualifying offers which means loss of draft pick. If the Braves passed on Pollock at reasonable money to sign either one of those guys, somebody needs to be fired. WTH did you draft and trade for all those pitchers if you aren't going to pitch any of them and aren't going to trade any?

    Watch, Braves will sign one of these guys on a $18M one year deal and everybody will say what a genius AA is. BS

    If you want to improve the rotation do something significant and trade for Kluber (or, lesser then Paxton...too late).

    Bottom line is that it's pretty clear that they don't have the cash to make big moves to help 2019 and think they are too far away to spend a bunch of prospect capital on 2019, thinking 2020 and beyond is the target.
    So trade multiple highly rated pitchers/prospects is better than losing pick No. 60? Sorry but no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post
    I guess he thinks we get Kimbrel, JTR and Keuchel for this to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    I woke up in the middle of the night to take a leak and checked Chop Country while I was awake and when I saw this post I thought I was still asleep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    Who would have thought Harper, Machado, Kimbrel plus others would still be available...in February ??
    Not me. Baseball has a real issue that needs to be addressed. Both players and teams are at fault.

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    Teams are finally willing to say no...

    They may have the money, but when is it "not worth" getting hung with a monster contract. It never works out. I think what has gotten out of control is agents setting up reasonable expectations for players.
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    Buster know something we don’t?
    His sources told him that Dansby's included in the Realmuto deal and that the Machado and Kimbrel signings are going to be announced at the same time the trade announcement comes - Sunday to take the focus off of the Super Bowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    So trade multiple highly rated pitchers/prospects is better than losing pick No. 60? Sorry but no.
    Agreed. The pick shouldn't be an issue assuming you can get someone on appropriate terms.

    That said, if that choice comes down to a 2 or 3 year deal for Keuchel or Kimbrel I'd sign Kimbrel. I think the rotation is going to be just fine, and if AA decides it needs to be improved he'll go fishing for that TOR guy at the deadline. If you could get Kimbrel for that rumored 3/$45 million and you then pull the trigger on Realmuto (even if you have to overpay a bit) this team is legitimate. Of course, I tend to be more of a believer in some of the young arms than others are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry View Post
    Both Keuchel and Kimbrel have qualifying offers which means loss of draft pick. If the Braves passed on Pollock at reasonable money to sign either one of those guys, somebody needs to be fired. WTH did you draft and trade for all those pitchers if you aren't going to pitch any of them and aren't going to trade any?

    Watch, Braves will sign one of these guys on a $18M one year deal and everybody will say what a genius AA is. BS

    If you want to improve the rotation do something significant and trade for Kluber (or, lesser then Paxton...too late).

    Bottom line is that it's pretty clear that they don't have the cash to make big moves to help 2019 and think they are too far away to spend a bunch of prospect capital on 2019, thinking 2020 and beyond is the target.

    I'd probably think the Braves signing any high end free agent to a one year deal would be great. Because that's pretty much the best kind of free agent deal a club can get.

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    Copays obsession with pitching prospects is coming home to roost

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    Pads interested in Gio now. Are they playing with the media or did they hit the powerball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Depends on the length and money of those contracts. Kimbrel I am not enamored with because high priced relievers are a bad value for mid market teams like the Braves. Keuchel is another story though and would be a big improvement on the staff.

    The longer the commitment to either, the less I like it, but I could make the case for either.

    I sort of like the look of Kimbrell, Vizcaino, Minter, O'Day, Sobtoka, Venters, Carle, Biddle, Winkler, Freeman with whatever young starters you want to put into that mix. I think you could definitely shorter games that way without burning arms and there is a decent chance it could be a really dominant group.

    Keuchel slots into the rotation at a crucial place and would seem to play well with Atlanta's defense.

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    Copays obsession with pitching prospects is coming home to roost
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