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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    There are two options, he either suddenly became a good player at age 28, or he is playing over his head right now. I'm guessing we are most likely seeing the best of Mr Maybin, so it is probably time to sell high on him.

    All assuming the team is out of contention at the deadline, of course.
    For me that's th ecatch with him. Maybe Maybin has turned it around. He wouldn't be th efirst player to catch on in his late 20s. Jose Bautista and Ben Zobrist are 2 recent examples of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    For me that's th ecatch with him. Maybe Maybin has turned it around. He wouldn't be th efirst player to catch on in his late 20s. Jose Bautista and Ben Zobrist are 2 recent examples of that.
    Matt Carpenter as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    So we should trade him for a couple bullpen arms?

    No one is gonna trade anything significant for him and given we wont be in on Justin/Jason/Ces, might as well keep him next year.

    Players have never gotten better late in their 20's before.

    Im not saying he's untouchable but i dont know if i'd trade him just to trade him.
    I don't see anyone suggesting to unload him for a couple bullpen arms, or to trade him just to trade him. Bit what if a contending team offers a top 50 prospect for maybin plus JJohnson at the deadline? That's exactly why Hart acquired these players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I don't see anyone suggesting to unload him for a couple bullpen arms, or to trade him just to trade him. Bit what if a contending team offers a top 50 prospect for maybin plus JJohnson at the deadline? That's exactly why Hart acquired these players.
    Im pretty sure that isnt gonna happen so we dont gotta worry about that.

    Only players i expect to be dealt are Grilli, JJ, and maybe KJ/AJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Matt Carpenter as well.
    Carpenter is more like Jason Bay, didn't get his debut until being older. He hit all the way through the minors and once he got into the majors. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I'd settle for a .750 OPS and league average defense from my center fielder.
    I'd be cool w/ keeping Maybin if I thought he'd produce a 750 OPS, play average CF defense, and be healthy for 140-150 games per season. He might have a shot at the 750 OPS b/w now and the end of 2016, but I worry about the other two "criteria".

    Maybin is not a butcher in CF, but I'm hoping we can find someone better. He's played a little over 1000 innings over the past three years, so a good - not great - sample to judge him on. Here are his ranks against other CF that played at least 1000 innings b/w 2013 and 2015:

    DRS: 28th our of 36
    UZR / 150: 29th out of 36

    He seems below average in CF to me with the eye test, and solidly below average looking at the stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I don't see anyone suggesting to unload him for a couple bullpen arms, or to trade him just to trade him. Bit what if a contending team offers a top 50 prospect for maybin plus JJohnson at the deadline? That's exactly why Hart acquired these players.
    Doesn't need to be top 50. Especially if they trade for CJ as well. If we unload every bad contract we can't expect too much back. For example the Twinkies haven't gotten much from Aaron Hicks. Maybe they'd take on Maybin. Also Johnson could be a potential addition for them. Say they offer back Jorge Polanco and Adam Walker neither are true top prospects. Polnaco would probably be our second best position prospect behind Peraza. He would be good infield prospect depth. In case we decide to move Peraza to the OF or someone gets hurt having him would be nice. Walker has showcased awesome power. Something our system is absent of. K rate is a massive concern but it's a worthwhile gamble.
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    Just as a reference point to the numbers above on Maybin, here's the same view for defensive savant Nick Markakis in RF (min 1000 innings b/w 2013 and 2015).

    DRS: 23rd out of 32
    UZR / 150: 17th out of 32

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    Maybin seems a bit better than BJ defensively in center.

    Takes some awkward routes like BJ did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywood View Post
    Maybin seems a bit better than BJ defensively in center.

    Takes some awkward routes like BJ did.
    He looks so uncomfortable on nearly every play that requires him to move. Awkward is right.

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    At least Maybin seems to act like he gives a damn on defense. That's one of the things I didn't like about watching Melvin play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    At least Maybin seems to act like he gives a damn on defense. That's one of the things I didn't like about watching Melvin play.
    You must've forgotten when Melvin would launch throws to homeplate on tagging plays and the ball sail 10 feet over the catcher's head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Doesn't need to be top 50. Especially if they trade for CJ as well. If we unload every bad contract we can't expect too much back. For example the Twinkies haven't gotten much from Aaron Hicks. Maybe they'd take on Maybin. Also Johnson could be a potential addition for them. Say they offer back Jorge Polanco and Adam Walker neither are true top prospects. Polnaco would probably be our second best position prospect behind Peraza. He would be good infield prospect depth. In case we decide to move Peraza to the OF or someone gets hurt having him would be nice. Walker has showcased awesome power. Something our system is absent of. K rate is a massive concern but it's a worthwhile gamble.
    I said JJ not CJ, but if maybin helps unload CJ then I'm all for that deal as well.

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    People continue to not give enough credit for people trying to hit while playing half their games in SD
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    People continue to not give enough credit for people trying to hit while playing half their games in SD
    Thats a good point also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    People continue to not give enough credit for people trying to hit while playing half their games in SD
    I agree. That park is death for any young hitters confidence. I'm sure it would carry over on the road also.

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    I would much rather have Maybin for 4 years / $45M than Nick the stick

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I would much rather have Maybin for 4 years / $45M than Nick the stick
    I wouldn't want either of them for 4/45. Maybin's upside is way higher, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I'm not willing to take that gamble.
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    I wouldn't pay either that much, but at this stage in their careers Maybin is far more valuable than Nick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    I wouldn't pay either that much, but at this stage in their careers Maybin is far more valuable than Nick.
    I wouldn't either. But your second comment was my point

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