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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Cano will be 31 to start this contract. How long he will remain durable and a great hitter is up for debate because players can drop off at any time after they are 30. Especially for players that play almost every game. Chipper was 32 when he went from durable (averaged 157 games the past 7 years) to injury prone. Arod was also 32 when he started missing game after averaging 157 for the previous 7 years too. And at 33 he started declining with the bat too while he was one of the best in the business. Cano is a great player right now. But signing someone to a 10 year deal after they are 30 is generally a horrible idea. The last half of the contract is going to be brutal.
    7 good years, 3 bad, not great.

    Well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Boston is still the class of the division and I don't think it's all that close.
    Boston over achieved last year, they wont even make the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Hate to be the one to point it out, but Cashman's doing one *ell of a job of putting the Yankees back together as a favorite this winter.

    CF- Ellsbury
    SS- Jeter
    RF- Beltran
    1B- Teixeira
    DH- Soriano
    C- McCann
    2B-
    3B- KJ
    LF- Gardner

    Re-signing Kuroda was major...even if they miss out on Tanaka, they can go get Garza or Colon to go with Sabathia, Kuroda, Nova, and Phelps and they'd have a solid enough rotation to be a threat to anyone.

    Trade Gardner for Dat Dude, plug Ichiro in in LF, and get lucky and somehow get a healthy Michael Pineda in that rotation and they're as good as anyone all of a sudden.
    Its not bad but as others have said, the risk for injury is pretty high.

    Beltran/Ellsbury, even Mac have had some injury problems in the past.

    They do need a closer or a high leverage arm like a Benoit/Balfour.

    Do have some younger bullpen arms though, but a bullpen is easy to put together.

    Rotation is a bigger concern though especially if CC is in decline mode.

    Kuroda is a stud though, about as consistent as there is in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Boston over achieved last year, they wont even make the playoffs.
    Bostons pitching is going to keep them in the race, it's worlds better than anything the Yankees have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRule View Post
    Bostons pitching is going to keep them in the race, it's worlds better than anything the Yankees have.
    I dont really disagree it is but not by much.

    Depending what other SP the Yankees get (Tanaka) being the one up in the air with his bidding thing all messed up right now.

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    Boston has better starting pitching and a much better bullpen. They resigned Napoli and added Pyrzenski. They also might end up trading for Kemp.

    There is something to be said for chemistry and they have it. Games aren't won on paper, they are won on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Who is hova?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Boston has better starting pitching and a much better bullpen. They resigned Napoli and added Pyrzenski. They also might end up trading for Kemp.

    There is something to be said for chemistry and they have it. Games aren't won on paper, they are won on the field.


    they don't have Ellsbury though so right now they are worse than last year while the yanks are better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    7 good years, 3 bad, not great.

    Well worth it.
    Assuming 7 good years going forward for someone who is about to turn 31 is not likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Boston has better starting pitching and a much better bullpen. They resigned Napoli and added Pyrzenski. They also might end up trading for Kemp.

    There is something to be said for chemistry and they have it. Games aren't won on paper, they are won on the field.


    Talent wins on the field, not chemistry. If chemistry won anything then the Braves would of done something the last few years. Their clubhouses have been great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Talent wins on the field, not chemistry. If chemistry won anything then the Braves would of done something the last few years. Their clubhouses have been great.
    The Braves have won a lot of games the last few years. You need both talent and chemistry, talent alone won't do it. Just look at the Angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    The Braves have won a lot of games the last few years. You need both talent and chemistry, talent alone won't do it. Just look at the Angels.
    Sure they have won a lot of games but nothing else to show for it. I see overpaid players in decline on the Angels. If Hamilton and Pujols hit like they did a couple of years ago they would of won the division. But they aren't those players anymore. So no I don't see that team as being very talented.

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    The Yankees are either going to be in first place in September or have almost the entire lineup on the DL.

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    At least signing all these big contracts including BMac will provide all the more reason to root for the Yankees to lose and miss the playoffs...

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    Braves versus Yankees WAR projections courtesy of Steamer (with a few assumptions of my own to fill in some vacancies in the Yankees' squad):

    C Gattis 4.1 McCann 4.0
    1B Freeman 3.6 Teixeira 2.0
    2B Uggla 1.3 Infante 2.2
    SS Simmons 3.8 Jeter 1.5
    3B Johnson 2.1 Uribe 2.8
    RF Heyward 5.1 Beltran 1.8
    CF BJ Upton 1.1 Ellsbury 3.8
    LF Justin Upton 3.1 Gardner 1.8

    P Sabathia 3.6 Medlen 2.2
    P Kuroda 3.5 Minor 1.8
    P Nova 3.2 Wood 1.7
    P Garza 2.3 Teheran 1.4
    P Phelps 2.2 Beachy 0.2
    P Robertson 0.9 Kimbrel 1.4

    Some interesting projections that I have a number of disagreements with. But the Yankees do end up about 3 games better than us if they also add Garza, Infante and Uribe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravebonebook View Post
    At least signing all these big contracts including BMac will provide all the more reason to root for the Yankees to lose and miss the playoffs...
    I wish the Braves were in a position to have others hate on them for making their team better thru signing players to big contracts. Never understood why folks hate on any team for being able to get better, no matter the means.

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    MLB trade rumors says Nate McLouth will sign with the Nats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck7580 View Post
    MLB trade rumors says Nate McLouth will sign with the Nats.
    He'll probably hit 30 homers for them.

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    Just curious, what do you guys think Garza will want/get in his new contract??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogi44 View Post
    I wish the Braves were in a position to have others hate on them for making their team better thru signing players to big contracts. Never understood why folks hate on any team for being able to get better, no matter the means.


    Jealousy, anger over inflated (almost unrealistic) salaries, frustration that the Braves cannot match the money being thrown around, frustration that these overblown salaries will mean that the Braves won't be able to hold on to their own homegrown talent, jealousy that other teams have overcome these problems and still won World Series, frustration that the Braves are never matched up in rumors with hardly any free agent anymore, etc.

    Never understood why folks wouldn't hate on a system that is imbalanced and the teams that use and abuse it to get better, no matter the means. Understand, I've watched baseball for 37 years and am almost to the point of hating it and giving it up. MLB needs some repair.

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