That was 100% max effort. No chance he throws like that pitching. Seems he will still be a low 90 guy at best
That was 100% max effort. No chance he throws like that pitching. Seems he will still be a low 90 guy at best
Coppy
If he is sitting low 90's thats a huge improvement over last year reports. Plus at his size and reach the ball 'comes at the hitter' faster so 92-94 for a pitcher that size is close to 93-96 for a pitcher 6 foot. Hes still a baby and a long ways to go. Only reason I posted it was that I thought it was a positive piece of news on a former top pick.
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msstate7 (02-08-2018)
thethe (02-08-2018)
FG just released their KATOH-based rankings, which are strictly based on stats vs level vs age:
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018...toh-prospects/
1. Acuna
41. Soroka
67. Wilson
68. Gohara
76. Pache
92. Wentz
94. Anderson
KATOH has the failure rate of pitching prospects baked into its algorithm (it compares to similar pitchers in the past, and all pitchers inherently have a high bust rate), so it is no surprise to see pitchers systematically pushed down the list. Since the Braves farm is mostly pitchers, we see the bulk of their top guys pushed down as a result.
Interesting to not see Allard considering the argument for his prospectdom is "he just produces at a young age". I'm not too familiar with how KATOH projects these guys, but there must be something in the peripherals of Allard's numbers that make him unimpressive. I always considered him the most expendable of the "elite arms", and that stance has further solidified in my mind after reading all these most recent prospect articles.
Also interesting to see that KATOH was not fooled by Riley's .393 BABIP over 200 PAs in AA.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-08-2018 at 12:43 PM.
Nice little summary graph produced by FG: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/inst...overview-grid/
The Braves have 10 Top 100 guys, far and away the most (2nd place has 6). Even adjusting for Kiley's pozziness they are still clearly #1.
Switching to a better measure of depth, which includes all the FV 50 and the best FV 45 guys, the Braves are still #1 with 15 guys. Other teams close the gap a bit in the depth department, but I would argue elite talent is more important than having a bunch of fringe MLB bench players.
I think it's safe to say the Braves easily have the best farm system, both in terms of premium talent AND depth.
TB has sneakily built a deep farm that should help them continue their "no scrubs" method of roster construction. I expect they will trade Odorizzi and add 2-3 more guys to their count of 14, which will put them past the Braves, but I would still much prefer the elite talent the Braves have.
KC is going to have a pretty rough rebuild. Signing Hosmer to a 7 year deal would be almost indefensibly stupid.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-09-2018 at 02:28 PM.
lol @ giving wren credit for the international scouting and hitting on two complete lottery tickets. it's like you're not even trying.
all hail frank for the poor drafting and leaving the organization completely devoid of any pitching at any level and a piss-poor farm system on a team leaving its short, weak window of contention.
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jpx7 (02-09-2018)
This is one of the things that I am most interested in around the baseball landscape. They are in one of the worst positions I have seen in the past decade. How would some of you guys go about rebuilding there? Obviously step 1 would be to draft well and do well internationally. But as far as talent accumulation goes outside of that, they are going to have a rough time. I guess if it were me I would try to flip any semblance of talent I had remaining on the roster for the farm. Then I would try to sign or acquire some of those reclamation types in the hopes that some of them hit and can be flipped for more farm talent. I don't know. Its a really rough situation and I think it will take them a minimum of 6-7 years to get back into the realm of relevancy.
it was apparently tough for wren to convert them into players when given the chance (mike minor anyone?). but he's the best lottery number picker. that's for damn sure.
also didn't realize soroka, wentz, muller, riley, weigel, wilson, etc, etc were considered high picks.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
I don't buy the high draft picks equals automatic prospect success argument.