Let's Talk About Media

[sturg33]

I’d describe that as, like, just an ordinary Tuesday at Fox News. If you want to have this conversation, I just need to make sure you’re including them.

So you’re defending Trump’s calling the press “the enemy of the people”? Good to know. Now that you’ve planted your flag on that ground, let’s hear you defend it.

Of the eleventy-billion stories written about Trump/Russia, you’ve found, what, two which are materially false? Make your case.

Of course I'm including Fox news.

You didn't answer my question... At all

[goldfly]

"freedom" lover: i love the constitution

also "freedom" lover: the press is the enemy of the people


hahaha

[Hawk]

I’d describe that as, like, just an ordinary Tuesday at Fox News. If you want to have this conversation, I just need to make sure you’re including them.

So you’re defending Trump’s calling the press “the enemy of the people”? Good to know. Now that you’ve planted your flag on that ground, let’s hear you defend it.

Of the eleventy-billion stories written about Trump/Russia, you’ve found, what, two which are materially false? Make your case.

We’ve been waiting over a year now to hear you make yours.

Turnabout is fair play.

[Julio3000]

In a situation where a reputable news sources intentionally misleads the public in order to advance an agenda, what would you describe that as?

Do you think this does not happen in this country?

I think it has happened. And I’m not really sure you’re not going to trip over “intentionally misleads” in the argument you’re trying to make.

[Julio3000]

We’ve been waiting over a year now to hear you make yours.

Turnabout is fair play.

What case?

[sturg33]

I think it has happened. And I’m not really sure you’re not going to trip over “intentionally misleads” in the argument you’re trying to make.

I asked you how you would describe that

[sturg33]

"freedom" lover: i love the constitution

also "freedom" lover: the press is the enemy of the people


hahaha

Press is not the enemy of the people

Fake news is

[Julio3000]

I asked you how you would describe that

If intentionally misleads is the operative phrase, I’d describe it as a lie.

[Julio3000]

Press is not the enemy of the people

Fake news is

Ok. I’m not sure what your point is here. How much “fake news” can you really put your finger on?

[sturg33]

Ok. I’m not sure what your point is here. How much “fake news” can you really put your finger on?

I think intentionally misleading the public happens all the time and is a big problem

[Julio3000]

I think intentionally misleading the public happens all the time and is a big problem

Hmmm. Could you provide some examples?

[Jaw]

Press is not the enemy of the people

Fake news is

I would amend that to "biased news." We've seen the vast majority of the press treat the last administration with kid gloves, and come at this administration with their claws out. Even if everything reported is true they are still being dishonest.

[Jaw]

Hmmm. Could you provide some examples?

An easycone is CNN claiming that Lanny Davis refused to comment on a story that he was apparently the sole source for.

[Julio3000]

An easycone is CNN claiming that Lanny Davis refused to comment on a story that he was apparently the sole source for.

Eh, yeah. That one looks like it might be bad but, hell, Cohen himself could have been the source. I’m fine if you want to crush CNN for occasional failures in journalistic best practices, but the fact of the matter is, the article only alleged that Cohen was willing to say X, not that X was known to have happened. So again I am asking if there’s seriously an epidemic of materially false reporting on this issue. With sturg’s guideline of “intentionally misleading” as a signpost, maybe.

[Julio3000]

Just for fun, maybe we should compare the media’s reporting on the Russia issue with the administration’s public statements about it.

[sturg33]

Hmmm. Could you provide some examples?

Start on page 1 of this thread and continue from therr

[nsacpi]

so is there any good media out there? outfits that cover the news without bias or sensationalism?

[Jaw]

Eh, yeah. That one looks like it might be bad but, hell, Cohen himself could have been the source. I’m fine if you want to crush CNN for occasional failures in journalistic best practices, but the fact of the matter is, the article only alleged that Cohen was willing to say X, not that X was known to have happened. So again I am asking if there’s seriously an epidemic of materially false reporting on this issue. With sturg’s guideline of “intentionally misleading” as a signpost, maybe.

Like I said, the bias can be obvious without ever making a false statement. The old "Person X denies beating his wife" still works, as does having your investigative staff take 8 years at a time off from investigating the Presidency if it belongs to the party your network is friendly with. I used to recognize MSNBC and Fox as political shills and had respect for NYT, WSJ, and CNN. Now they've all shown that they are no better. To be fair, that's the free market at work. It's more important for corporations to be profitable than ethical.

[The Chosen One]

so is there any good media out there? outfits that cover the news without bias or sensationalism?

Trump has already called PBS Newshour fake news. So, so much for them.

[Krgrecw]

so is there any good media out there? outfits that cover the news without bias or sensationalism?

Shepard Smith is pretty good. He’s everything you think Fox News would be against (homosexual, liberal, hates trump) but he’s thier breaking news guy which means they must think he’s pretty damn good.