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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Maybin traded

    Also- Detroit is in heavy talks on Verlander
    This might be the most eventful. Aug 31 in quite some time.

    I'm saying Verlander to Astros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    JUp informed the Tigers he was going to opt out of the rebuild, and was trade to the Angels for essentially nothing. Now the Angels have a month to persuade him not to opt out.

    This is the type of move Kemp in LF prevented the Braves from making. Instead of a 3-5 WAR guy in LF, the Braves get a 0 win guy in LF for the same salary.

    He would have opted out of ATL almost certainly, right?

    I dislike the Kemp deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    He would have opted out of ATL almost certainly, right?

    I dislike the Kemp deal.
    Probably. It would have been nice to give it a shot though, considering it cost absolutely nothing to acquire him.

    I'm going to guess he would be more likely to stay with a team nearing the end of a rebuild while being paid fair market money than on a team just beginning a rebuild.

    The point is Kemp prevents any similar acquisitions.

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    But Kemp is a stud so it's all good

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    Keith Law doesn't get it:

    Adam: Scouts are reportedly concerned with how quickly Kevin Maitan has matured physically. Is it really that worrisome considering the successes of huskier prospects like Devers and Vlad Jr, or does the concern have more to do with his conditioning?
    Keith Law: I haven’t heard that from any actual scouts, and I think it’s funny that everyone comped him to Miggy when he
    was 14 and now they’re upset that he (allegedly) has a mature body … like Miggy did even when fairly young.
    Keith Law: There’s some weird **** going around with people taking oblique shots at Atlanta and I don’t get it.


    As usual a lot of Braves stuff in here: http://meadowparty.com/blog/2017/08/31/klawchat-83117/
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    I'm not one to beat a dead horse but the thought of what Alex Wood is doing in LA and knowing that we basically traded that for Kemp and paying him 20+ million a year makes me sick. Way worse than the Tex trade imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I'm not one to beat a dead horse but the thought of what Alex Wood is doing in LA and knowing that we basically traded that for Kemp and paying him 20+ million a year makes me sick. Way worse than the Tex trade imo.

    If it makes you feel better, you really traded Alex Wood for a draft pick.

    Oliveira was completely inconsequential to the Kemp trade, that's just the way the Padres agreed to send money to the Braves to take Kemp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    If it makes you feel better, you really traded Alex Wood for a draft pick.

    Oliveira was completely inconsequential to the Kemp trade, that's just the way the Padres agreed to send money to the Braves to take Kemp.
    we took on $36M to take on Kemp + Olivera's dead money... that's just a fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I'm not one to beat a dead horse but the thought of what Alex Wood is doing in LA and knowing that we basically traded that for Kemp and paying him 20+ million a year makes me sick. Way worse than the Tex trade imo.
    That horse is not only dead, but it is buried and has decomposed... Yet we still keep talking about it.

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    Trading Alex Wood was not bad. Trading for a long term answer at 3B was not bad.

    Not knowing Olivera was incapable of playing 3B was bad.

    Further compounding the problem by trading Olivera for Kemp was bad.

    I think it's important to separate the process from the results when assessing these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Trading Alex Wood was not bad. Trading for a long term answer at 3B was not bad.

    Not knowing Olivera was incapable of playing 3B was bad.

    Further compounding the problem by trading Olivera for Kemp was bad.

    I think it's important to separate the process from the results when assessing these things.
    Trading Wood because you fell in love with a guy who hadn't played meaningful baseball in several years and who was on the wrong side of 30 was just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Trading Wood because you fell in love with a guy who hadn't played meaningful baseball in several years and who was on the wrong side of 30 was just ridiculous.
    That's where the "not knowing Olivera was incapable of playing 3B" comes in.

    At the time of the trade, it was assumed the Braves did their due diligence, and we could reliably project Olivera to be a David Freese level player or similar. Knowing the Braves were dead set on contending by 2017, the move was defensible if we gave the Braves FO the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were trading for (it's silly for anyone to claim they thought Wood would pitch this well in 2017).

    I have since stopped giving this FO that benefit of the doubt, and the HO trade is the biggest reason why. Several people should have lost their jobs for the shockingly bad process that led to that trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    we took on $36M to take on Kemp + Olivera's dead money... that's just a fact
    In a way, we traded Wood + Peraza + Avilan for Kemp (full salary less what LA owed to SD) and Joey Wentz.

    Oy. That's rough and I really like Wentz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    He would have opted out of ATL almost certainly, right?

    I dislike the Kemp deal.
    I guess that would be my point as well. Upton would play for us for a month and then go to his next stop. I agree with Enscheff's basic point that Kemp's salary is a giant t*rd in the punch bowl, but I can't draw a straight line connecting these two items seamlessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    we took on $36M to take on Kemp + Olivera's dead money... that's just a fact
    The padres took oliveira and immediately cut him.

    It was just a way to send money over in the deal to get rid of Kemp.

    That trade had nothing to do with
    Oliveira.

    The braves wanted to spin it as getting value out of oliveira and then also spin kemp's salary as getting Kemp for 8 million or whatever but that was all bull****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I guess that would be my point as well. Upton would play for us for a month and then go to his next stop. I agree with Enscheff's basic point that Kemp's salary is a giant t*rd in the punch bowl, but I can't draw a straight line connecting these two items seamlessly.
    I guess the braves could have made a QO and either gotten him for another year or gotten a draft pick out of it.

    somewhat diverging coverage. Some say this was upton motivating the deal but others saying Detroit was afraid he'd opt in.

    Detroit fear sort of makes more sense really as i'd probably rather have the draft pick than the trade package.

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    Verlander to the Astros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Verlander to the Astros.
    that team is going places

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    For Franklin Perez, Jake Rogers, and Daz Cameron

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    That's a damn decent haul. Wonder how the financials are going to shake out.

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