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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Another solidly stupid move that falls right in line with recent stupid moves made by the FO.

    Giving up control over Swanson's age 29 season and Albies' age 27 season is beyond moronic, but it's the "Braves Way" I suppose.
    You want to hold him down the entire year? Which would obviously also include at least the first couple weeks of next year...and since he's down that long, might as well hold him past the Super 2 deadline in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    At least Moncada is actually performing well at AAA. How was Swanson doing at the time of his call up? Oh that's right, busting down the door with a .745 OPS in AA.
    Isn't Ozzie "performing well" at AAA?

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    Wait a second, you can judge players performance without using WAR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    So he's basically a Drysdale/Ryan hybrid? Rysdale?

    Where are the Braves going to find innings for all these HOF hybrids?

    Are you sure your not a mets fan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Are you sure your not a mets fan?
    Cue the popcorn gif.....

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    It's a joke only people who visited the mets scout forum years ago will get. So probably only thethe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    You want to hold him down the entire year? Which would obviously also include at least the first couple weeks of next year...and since he's down that long, might as well hold him past the Super 2 deadline in 2018.
    That's exactly what I want them to do, and it's exactly what they should have done with Swanson. The extra year of control is the main issue, I'm not too concerned with Super 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandBrave View Post
    Isn't Ozzie "performing well" at AAA?
    Albies has an OPS of .785 in AAA. He is doing well, but he isn't exactly knocking down the door in AAA.

    Moncada is currently destroying AAA. Kris Bryant obliterated AA and AAA in 2014 before being called up a couple weeks into 2015.

    Albies and Swanson are/were not forcing their way onto the MLB roster. It was monumentally stupid to promote Swanson, and it will be equally stupid to promote Albies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Albies has an OPS of .785 in AAA. He is doing well, but he isn't exactly knocking down the door in AAA.

    Moncada is currently destroying AAA. Kris Bryant obliterated AA and AAA in 2014 before being called up a couple weeks into 2015.

    Albies and Swanson are/were not forcing their way onto the MLB roster. It was monumentally stupid to promote Swanson, and it will be equally stupid to promote Albies.

    Wait..
    so a guy who has a career line of .289/.396/.483/.879 with a 29% K-rate at 22 is 'Killing it'
    and a guy who has a career line of .310/.375/.421/.796 with a 15% k-rate at 20 is doing 'well'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Albies has a chance to be Altuve without the double digit HR power. I really hope the Braves don't be stupid and start his service clock during his age 20 season in a desperate attempt to draw fans and "build excitement for 2018". Brandon Phillips is the perfect 1 year solution at 2B for a non-contending team.
    It's not about maximizing service time.

    The Braves want to be solid this year and in the playoffs next year. You can laugh......fine. But they don't want everyone good on the team not named FF to be playing their first inning after the Super 2 deadline in 2018.

    They want Swanson up and the leader of these young guys.
    They will want Ozzie to have some at bats under him before the 2018 meaningful season starts.
    They will probably try and get at least one of Newcombe, Weigel and Fried to get their first start over with and get some experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    It's not about maximizing service time.

    The Braves want to be solid this year and in the playoffs next year. You can laugh......fine. But they don't want everyone good on the team not named FF to be playing their first inning after the Super 2 deadline in 2018.

    They want Swanson up and the leader of these young guys.
    They will want Ozzie to have some at bats under him before the 2018 meaningful season starts.
    They will probably try and get at least one of Newcombe, Weigel and Fried to get their first start over with and get some experience.
    I agree that it is better to "stagger" the callup of your best prospects rather than doing it all in the same year. But to my mind the benefits of that are second order compared to the benefits of having contractual control over peak productive years rather than "learning" years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Wait..
    so a guy who has a career line of .289/.396/.483/.879 with a 29% K-rate at 22 is 'Killing it'
    and a guy who has a career line of .310/.375/.421/.796 with a 15% k-rate at 20 is doing 'well'
    Yes, an OPS difference of ~80 points is the difference between "killing it" and "doing well".

    Since you obviously don't understand how large of a spread that is...

    Last year, an OPS of .879 was good for 24th in the game. An OPS of .796 ranked 72nd.

    I would say ranking 72 out of 146 is "doing well", and ranking 25 out of 146 is "killing it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Yes, an OPS difference of ~80 points is the difference between "killing it" and "doing well".

    Since you obviously don't understand how large of a spread that is...

    Last year, an OPS of .879 was good for 24th in the game. An OPS of .796 ranked 72nd.

    I would say ranking 72 out of 146 is "doing well", and ranking 25 out of 146 is "killing it".

    I would disagree, factoring age and contact ability. I think Ozzie is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. get on base and play solid defense and not strike out.. Moncada is doing what he is supposed to do.. slug the ball, get on base, and play average defense.. Both will be in the Majors this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    It's not about maximizing service time.

    The Braves want to be solid this year and in the playoffs next year. You can laugh......fine. But they don't want everyone good on the team not named FF to be playing their first inning after the Super 2 deadline in 2018.

    They want Swanson up and the leader of these young guys.
    They will want Ozzie to have some at bats under him before the 2018 meaningful season starts.
    They will probably try and get at least one of Newcombe, Weigel and Fried to get their first start over with and get some experience.
    Preferably in September or at least after the braves have traded Phillips for a decent asset. Depending on injuries or needs some team might be looking for a 2b or bench bat.

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    KEMvP drives in Albies. KEMvP knows how to drive guys in

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    Albies is forcing his way onto the team quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Albies is forcing his way onto the team quickly.
    Doing "well"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Albies has an OPS of .785 in AAA. He is doing well, but he isn't exactly knocking down the door in AAA.

    Moncada is currently destroying AAA. Kris Bryant obliterated AA and AAA in 2014 before being called up a couple weeks into 2015.

    Albies and Swanson are/were not forcing their way onto the MLB roster. It was monumentally stupid to promote Swanson, and it will be equally stupid to promote Albies.
    Monumentally stupid. You really can't make this stuff up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Albies is forcing his way onto the team quickly.
    Let's hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Let's hope not.
    For real. Hoping he can win Gwinnett a few titles.

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