The Coronavirus, not the beer

[striker42]

Covid deaths are not supported by that. We changed the whole paradigm on how humans live and function in society. Way too many variables to attribute it to covid.

Not really. You can use a process of elimination. You can look at other causes of death and see how they changed. You'd need to see massive jumps in other causes of death to account for the excess mortality if Covid wasn't the big reason. We didn't see that. Suicides actually decreased in 2020 in spite of dire predictions.

There's no other changes in cause of death that can count significantly towards the excess mortality.

[thethe]

Not really. You can use a process of elimination. You can look at other causes of death and see how they changed. You'd need to see massive jumps in other causes of death to account for the excess mortality if Covid wasn't the big reason. We didn't see that. Suicides actually decreased in 2020 in spite of dire predictions.

There's no other changes in cause of death that can count significantly towards the excess mortality.

It would be very easy to prove this and the fact nobody has is all you need to know.

[57Brave]

[sturg33]

Just so happens to coincide with a new strain that's several times more contagious. Funny how that works.

You'd think that arming nearly every adult with the bullet proof vest would have resulted in less deaths.

But your contention from day one has been "it would have been worse" despite no data supporting

[striker42]

It would be very easy to prove this and the fact nobody has is all you need to know.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2778234

Took me literally two minutes.

Also, if the increased mortality could be attributed to something else, it would be just as easy from the numbers. The fact that no one has is telling.

[thethe]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2778234

Took me literally two minutes.

Also, if the increased mortality could be attributed to something else, it would be just as easy from the numbers. The fact that no one has is telling.

You misunderstood me.

We know who has died due to covid. We know everyone that has died. Take out the subset of covid deaths and determine what they died from. To my knowledge this has never been done.

[striker42]

You'd think that arming nearly every adult with the bullet proof vest would have resulted in less deaths.

But your contention from day one has been "it would have been worse" despite no data supporting

That data is quite easy to come by. The real world has given us a great control group of unvaccinated people.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...ns-vaccination

If no one was vaccinated then everyone would be at the unvaccinated rates of hospitalization. Probably higher as the highest rates of vaccination are in the most at risk.

The vaccines are a bullet proof vest. Alpha was a hand gun. Delta is an automatic rifle.

[sturg33]

I can say from personal experience that I was not asked on either of my covid tests if I was unvaccinated

[striker42]

I can say from personal experience that I was not asked on either of my covid tests if I was unvaccinated

Were either positive? No reason to report vaccination status of a negative test.

Also, you don't have to ask everyone. So long as you get representative sample you can reliably generalize those rates.

[sturg33]

Were either positive? No reason to report vaccination status of a negative test.

Also, you don't have to ask everyone. So long as you get representative sample you can reliably generalize those rates.

Neither were positive... and the results were delivered after I was gone... so they would have needed to knoe vaccination status at time of test to confirm

[striker42]

You misunderstood me.

We know who has died due to covid. We know everyone that has died. Take out the subset of covid deaths and determine what they died from. To my knowledge this has never been done.

Are you saying run the excess mortality numbers without the Covid deaths in there? To what end?

[striker42]

Neither were positive... and the results were delivered after I was gone... so they would have needed to knoe vaccination status at time of test to confirm

Unless they contacted you after to get that info.

In any event, you still only need representative samples to generalize.

[sturg33]

Unless they contacted you after to get that info.

In any event, you still only need representative samples to generalize.

If they only ask me if I'm positive then that distorts the reporting

[striker42]

If they only ask me if I'm positive then that distorts the reporting

Not really. A negative test doesn't tell you anything. Positive tests of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is much more telling.

[sturg33]

How did the omicron variant get into Australia?

Seriously how did this happen. Didn't they close off their borders?

[thethe]

[sturg33]

The vax mandates do nothing, as we can see by the real world dat

[thethe]

The vax mandates do nothing, as we can see by the real world dat

People are focusing on the increase in rate of protection intentionally.

its the difference between buying 1 or 3 lottery tickets. There really is a miniscule difference. Especially to those that are healthy.

[thethe]

Are you saying run the excess mortality numbers without the Covid deaths in there? To what end?

No - Take the total population of known COVID deaths out of excess mortality.

You are left with a population of people who are identified as dead. Figure out what their causes of death are.

This shouldn't be hard to prove that excess mortality is truly due to COVID.

[thethe]

Can someone explain to me how the response to a new variant is boosters for an old variant?