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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    This stuff changes constantly, which is why it doesn't really ever matter. Moncada will graduate off soon. Albies and/or Acuna could come off by the end of the year and certainly will by midseason next year. I mean, it's all for fans to read and talk about, which it's successful at doing. But it doesn't ever matter.
    I've been surprised there was so much talk about this. like you said, it doesn't really matter.

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    The list is a little odd. From the Braves standpoint, I would expect to see Allard a little lower given his not so dominant year so far, and Soroka quite a bit higher given his flat out dominance this year. Obviously the ranking on Gohara is very low. He should be top 50 easy, if not top 30.

    I've been saying it for the last few weeks, but Rutherford is overrated right now. He's obviously super talented, but guys who are both very far from the majors and also struggling do not deserve to be on this list (or at least in the top half of this list anyways). I'd say the same of Maitan if struggled the rest of the way this year as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    The list is a little odd. From the Braves standpoint, I would expect to see Allard a little lower given his not so dominant year so far, and Soroka quite a bit higher given his flat out dominance this year. Obviously the ranking on Gohara is very low. He should be top 50 easy, if not top 30.

    I've been saying it for the last few weeks, but Rutherford is overrated right now. He's obviously super talented, but guys who are both very far from the majors and also struggling do not deserve to be on this list (or at least in the top half of this list anyways). I'd say the same of Maitan if struggled the rest of the way this year as well.
    Allard hasn't had a great year, but i don't think its entirely unusual that a player might have K rates fluctuate a bit in the minors. They are down this year and its concerning, but they can always bump up again - particularly as he adjusts to the level.

    Still, I think he is imminently moveable if you are looking to move someone for something good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    This stuff changes constantly, which is why it doesn't really ever matter. Moncada will graduate off soon. Albies and/or Acuna could come off by the end of the year and certainly will by midseason next year. I mean, it's all for fans to read and talk about, which it's successful at doing. But it doesn't ever matter.
    Boards like this are for debating, but I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Both the Braves and White Sox are turning over the rosters. White Sox have seemed to get a bit more for the top shelf parts they traded off, but it all has to play out. Some guys step up and some guys don't. Maybe Allard's stuff isn't enough to get him over and maybe Kopech keeps doing his Nuke Laloosh thing. I always judge on tools and application. Some guys with great tools never get the finer points on the game down and don't live up to their early projections. My guess is two years from now, a quarter of the guys on this list have fallen off and another third will have graduated to the big leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    2022?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    2022?
    who knows. we should honestly trade freddie to match up the timelines.

    There is not a better threesome in the minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaitingFor2017 View Post
    I will wait to see how Longenhagen ranks them.

    Of course, the White Sox may be a clear #1 if the Braves want to trade 1 or 2 of their top 10 prospects for Sonny Gray or the like in the next week.
    Sox are about to lose Moncada off these lists, so they will take a huge hit. Braves will lose Newk, but that's a much smaller hit.

    Overall, the Braves should be solidly #1 once Moncada drops off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Prediction: Most services have Acuna the #1 overall prospect in baseball in the offseason.
    This could be the case. In AAA he has been even more impressive than A or AA. Obvious small sample size, but his BB rate is back over 10%, his K rate is back down to 20%, and his BABIP is a much more reasonable .323...and it has produced a .940 OPS.

    If he finishes the year with ~200 PAs in AAA with his current BB/K rates and an .850+ OPS at 19 years old....I don't see any way he isn't #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    This could be the case. In AAA he has been even more impressive than A or AA. Obvious small sample size, but his BB rate is back over 10%, his K rate is back down to 20%, and his BABIP is a much more reasonable .323...and it has produced a .940 OPS.

    If he finishes the year with ~200 PAs in AAA with his current BB/K rates and an .850+ OPS at 19 years old....I don't see any way he isn't #1.
    Agreed.

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    Teams with 9: Braves (8, 19, 25, 35, 38, 44, 57, 58, 98)
    Teams with 8: White Sox (1, 7, 12, 26, 45, 60, 61, 69)
    Teams with 7: Rays (14, 18, 23, 77, 85, 95, 99)
    Teams with 6: Dodgers (13, 28, 51, 71, 86, 89); Yankees (3, 27, 63, 79, 91, 94); Phillies (33, 52, 56, 64, 73, 74); Padres (29, 43, 55, 59, 62, 82)
    Teams with 5: Reds (5, 21, 80, 81, 90); Astros (10, 40, 46, 54, 87); Brewers (15, 70, 83, 96, 97)
    Teams with 4: Twins (31, 34, 76, 84); Cardinals (17, 36, 53, 65)
    Teams with 3: Rockies (9, 66, 67); Tigers (72, 78, 100); Athletics (37, 39, 92); Pirates (20, 22, 88); Blue Jays (6, 30, 49)
    Teams with 2: Red Sox (4, 48); Indians (16, 24); Mets (2, 41); Nationals (5, 42)
    Teams with 1: Diamondbacks (75); Orioles (50); Cubs (93); Giants (68); Mariners (47); Rangers (32)
    Teams with 0: Royals, Angels, Marlins

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    Assigning points to each spec with #1 getting 100, #2 getting 99, etc:

    White Sox - 471
    Braves - 470
    Rays - 296
    Padres - 276
    Dodgers - 268
    Astros - 268
    Phillies - 254
    Yankees - 249
    Cardinals - 235
    Reds - 228
    Blue Jays - 218
    Twins - 179
    Pirates - 173
    Indians - 162
    Rockies - 161
    Mets - 159
    Nationals - 155
    Red Sox - 150
    Brewers - 144
    Athletics - 135
    Rangers - 69
    Mariners - 54
    Tigers - 53
    Orioles - 51
    Giants - 33
    Diamondbacks - 26
    Cubs - 8
    Royals - 0
    Angels - 0
    Marlins- 0

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    For reference these are the scores from the BA Midseason top 100, after the Rutherford and Jimenez trades are accounted for:

    Braves: 532
    White Sox: 466
    Astros: 302
    Yankees: 275
    Rays: 272
    Indians: 241
    Padres: 237
    Blue Jays: 230
    Phillies: 222
    Cardinals: 219
    Dodgers: 218
    Brewers: 217
    Reds: 205
    Pirates: 177
    Rockies: 166
    Athletics: 156
    Mets: 148
    Twins: 144
    Nationals: 130
    Red Sox: 114
    Tigers: 91
    Orioles: 74
    Rangers: 67
    Mariners: 56
    Diamondbacks: 33
    Cubs: 18
    Giants: 15
    Angels: 3
    Marlins: 0
    Royals: 0
    Last edited by praeceps93; 07-25-2017 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by praeceps93 View Post
    Assigning points to each spec with #1 getting 100, #2 getting 99, etc:

    White Sox - 471
    Braves - 470
    Rays - 296
    Padres - 276
    Dodgers - 268
    Astros - 268
    Phillies - 254
    Yankees - 249
    Cardinals - 235
    Reds - 228
    Blue Jays - 218
    Twins - 179
    Pirates - 173
    Indians - 162
    Rockies - 161
    Mets - 159
    Nationals - 155
    Red Sox - 150
    Brewers - 144
    Athletics - 135
    Rangers - 69
    Mariners - 54
    Tigers - 53
    Orioles - 51
    Giants - 33
    Diamondbacks - 26
    Cubs - 8
    Royals - 0
    Angels - 0
    Marlins- 0
    the white Suxs and Braves are 170 points ahead of the Friars. That is a huge gap.. We should keep trading players and make this like the cold war of prospects. HorseHide.. where are you man.. We need some deals done ASAP..
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    I think Kopech's fastball speed is leading to him being overrated. Soroka and Gohara are underrated on that list. Moncada probably isn't #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by praeceps93 View Post
    Assigning points to each spec with #1 getting 100, #2 getting 99, etc:

    White Sox - 471
    Braves - 470
    Rays - 296
    Padres - 276
    Dodgers - 268
    Astros - 268
    Phillies - 254
    Yankees - 249
    Cardinals - 235
    Reds - 228
    Blue Jays - 218
    Twins - 179
    Pirates - 173
    Indians - 162
    Rockies - 161
    Mets - 159
    Nationals - 155
    Red Sox - 150
    Brewers - 144
    Athletics - 135
    Rangers - 69
    Mariners - 54
    Tigers - 53
    Orioles - 51
    Giants - 33
    Diamondbacks - 26
    Cubs - 8
    Royals - 0
    Angels - 0
    Marlins- 0
    By the time the offseason lists roll out, Acuna will be Top 2-3, Moncada will be off the Sox list, and the Braves will be #1 by a substantial margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    I think Kopech's fastball speed is leading to him being overrated. Soroka and Gohara are underrated on that list. Moncada probably isn't #1.
    LOL I'm shocked you think 2 Braves are underrated, but 2 Sox are overrated.

    Who could have foresaw that opinion coming from a Braves homer haha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    By the time the offseason lists roll out, Acuna will be Top 2-3, Moncada will be off the Sox list, and the Braves will be #1 by a substantial margin.
    Yeah. I imagine we can see upticks for Acuna, Albies, Gohara. Others will likely stay around the same. Newcomb will drop off. For the Sox, I can see Cease and Lopez getting slight upticks, but probably no huge moves, with Moncada dropping off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    LOL I'm shocked you think 2 Braves are underrated, but 2 Sox are overrated.

    Who could have foresaw that opinion coming from a Braves homer haha?
    To be fair, Moncada is overrated.

    My top 5 would consist of Acuna, Vladdy Jr., Francisco Mejia, Gleyber Torres (at SS), and Amed Rosario.

    Guys like Moncada, Devers, Eloy, and Robles are in that next tier.


    Acuna has been more impressive at age 19 in AAA than Yoan Moncada has been at age 22.

    Acuna hits for a higher average, strikes out less, has more power, and has stolen DOUBLE the amount of bases this year.

    If you want to argue who's the top prospect from a relative value standpoint, I'd listen to arguments for the two SS, Vladdy Jr., and Mejia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    LOL I'm shocked you think 2 Braves are underrated, but 2 Sox are overrated.

    Who could have foresaw that opinion coming from a Braves homer haha?
    It doesn't mean he's far off.

    Gohara and Soroka are doing way more than was expected than those two this year. I'd say they have improved their stock MUCH more than Moncada and Kop? Would you ?
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