Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

[Runnin]

the dance between the Russian and Trump campaign has turned out to be a lot longer and more intricate than any of us imagined when this thread was started

And it could be just getting started.

[sturg33]

And it could be just getting started.

Seriously? 334 more pages and 2 more years of this?

[Runnin]

Seriously? 334 more pages and 2 more years of this?

Once Mueller presents his findings, if he ever does, the conversation should change direction, so it probably won't be 2 more years of "this".

But you should be happy. You've finally been given the collusion you were promised.

[The Chosen One]

Seriously? 334 more pages and 2 more years of this?

I should rename this thread

"Trumpeteer: Chronicling the Coming of Age of sturg"

[sturg33]

Once Mueller presents his findings, if he ever does, the conversation should change direction, so it probably won't be 2 more years of "this".

But you should be happy. You've finally been given the collusion you were promised.

Have I?

[Runnin]

Have I?

Trump appears to have been screwed from the day he won the election. If he had only lost to Hillary none of this would matter, which is probably how he was playing it.

[nsacpi]

Trump appears to have been screwed from the day he won the election. If he had only lost to Hillary none of this would matter, which is probably how he was playing it.

I believe that bird has the physical capability to bury its head up it's own ass...a skill that would impress if not for the virtuoso contortions already displayed in this thread

[nsacpi]

it has been clear for a while now that

1) the Russians targeted the Trump campaign with a multi-pronged influence operation

2) the Trump campaign knew about this and was happy to engage in a quid pro quo arrangement

what we are finding out each day now are additional details of the arrangement

[nsacpi]

Have I?

still think it's a witch hunt?

[sturg33]

still think it's a witch hunt?

Looks to me like Mueller has something with campaign finance issues and maybe some lying to congress (of which would not have happened had there not been an investigation)

I haven't seen anything on collusion yet. I may have missed it though.

I though Mueller dumping this on Friday night was interesting

[57Brave]

In early August 1974 people hysterically said
"Looked to me like he covered up and he had campaign finance problems and that illegal bombing but nothing about the Watergate break in. I was promised ... "

Remembering " Sergi in the server room with a screwdriver "
..........

The reason it was dropped on Friday was yesterday was the court appointed date.


Yeah, in your haste to type, you missed it. And up to the minute, missing it

[The Chosen One]

thethe went missing because he is now the intern that handles Trump's twitter.

[cajunrevenge]

Looks to me like Mueller has something with campaign finance issues and maybe some lying to congress (of which would not have happened had there not been an investigation)

I haven't seen anything on collusion yet. I may have missed it though.

I though Mueller dumping this on Friday night was interesting

Explain to me the purpose of lying to congress if they did nothing wrong? Mueller was aurthorized to investigate links and coordination between Russia and member of the Trump campaign, any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation, and to prosecute any federal crimes arising from the investigation.


So far several criminals have been convicted that were apart of the Trump campaign. I wish every administration had a special prosecutor investigating them like this. Finding criminals in politics is like shooting fish in a barrell. It amazes me that any Libertarian would want less independent investigation.

[sturg33]

Explain to me the purpose of lying to congress if they did nothing wrong? Mueller was aurthorized to investigate links and coordination between Russia and member of the Trump campaign, any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation, and to prosecute any federal crimes arising from the investigation.


So far several criminals have been convicted that were apart of the Trump campaign. I wish every administration had a special prosecutor investigating them like this. Finding criminals in politics is like shooting fish in a barrell. It amazes me that any Libertarian would want less independent investigation.

Bc the lies don't appear to be connected to "colluding with Russian government to alter our election"

I really am not opposed to this investigation but I still contend there is no evidence to take down Trump and nobody has been able to show me otherwise.

They very well may get him on something else like campaign finances but that's not colluding with a foreign enemy

[cajunrevenge]

So just lied to Congress for ****s and giggles? But first let me get a clarification. Are you saying there is no evidence Trump has committed a crime or no evidence that he has committed a crime that could/should have him removed from office?


I think your being very naive on purpose. I think you would be a lot more gung ho about this investigation if Hillary was the target.

[sturg33]

So just lied to Congress for ****s and giggles? But first let me get a clarification. Are you saying there is no evidence Trump has committed a crime or no evidence that he has committed a crime that could/should have him removed from office?

I'm saying there's no evidence he colluded with Russia.

I'm certain he's committed crimes. They all have. Trump has zero moral compass.

Investigate Obama's campaign for 2 years and I'm sure crimes will be found, lies will be told, etc.

[57Brave]

I'm saying there's no evidence he colluded with Russia.

I'm certain he's committed crimes. They all have. Trump has zero moral compass.

Investigate Obama's campaign for 2 years and I'm sure crimes will be found, lies will be told, etc.

nor did Nixon specifically order the Watergate Break In

What is so hard to see ?
The June 6 meeting, which prompted this thread, by itself where his oldest son speaking on behalf of his fathers campaign.
Cohen was directed to make contact but didnt because he had better access elsewhere

Unless of course you are:
a) trolling
b) you know you are wrong and stubbornly won't admit it
c) all of the above

just say it, "I was wrong"
it will feel better.

[cajunrevenge]

What do you call the Trump Tower meeting with a Russian National with strong ties to the Russian Government? Federal law calls it a crime to solicit anything of value from a foreign national. This isnt an investigation solely based on collusion. As they say the coverup is often worse than the crime. The narrative that there has to be proof of collusion or every other crime uncovered doesnt matter is hogwash.



From what I can tell the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia but they did solicit valuable campaign material from a Russian national. The real issue as I see it is that Trump has been working for Russia since 1987 to destabilize America for financial incentive. For example, after his first trip to Moscow in 1987 he took up a full page ad against NATO. Surely just a coincidence. I dont think there was direct collusion with Russia but Putin helped Trump knowing he could hold that stuff over him. I think we should wait for the Mueller report to be finished before we really reach any conclusions here though. How can we say theres no evidence when the report thats supposed to detail the evidence hasnt even been released? Yeah its taken a long time but that might have something to do with all the Trump people convicted of lying to the FBI. Thats going to bog down any investigation.

[nsacpi]

nor did Nixon specifically order the Watergate Break In

What is so hard to see ?
The June 6 meeting, which prompted this thread, by itself where his oldest son speaking on behalf of his fathers campaign.
Cohen was directed to make contact but didnt because he had better access elsewhere

Unless of course you are:
a) trolling
b) you know you are wrong and stubbornly won't admit it
c) all of the above

just say it, "I was wrong"
it will feel better.

he wants to see the MOU first...no MOU no collusion

[sturg33]

nor did Nixon specifically order the Watergate Break In

What is so hard to see ?
The June 6 meeting, which prompted this thread, by itself where his oldest son speaking on behalf of his fathers campaign.
Cohen was directed to make contact but didnt because he had better access elsewhere

Unless of course you are:
a) trolling
b) you know you are wrong and stubbornly won't admit it
c) all of the above

just say it, "I was wrong"
it will feel better.

If you are willing to bet that Mueller provides evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, and thus is removed from office as you suggested upthread, please name your terms.