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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I think the organization shifted as soon as Hart was hired. From then on forward it's on him and JC.
    So Hart gets credit for extenting Lord BABIP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    So Hart gets credit for extenting Lord BABIP?
    He was there to oversee it. It could have been overruled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    He was there to oversee it. It could have been overruled.
    I don't think he was in a position to overrule anyone. He was brought on as an advisor, not a superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    I don't think he was in a position to overrule anyone. He was brought on as an advisor, not a superior.
    Of course not. The back story is thethe's claim that Hart forced Wren to draft Braxton Davidson

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    I don't think he was in a position to overrule anyone. He was brought on as an advisor, not a superior.
    He coudl have advised JS to overrule that signing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Of course not. The back story is thethe's claim that Hart forced Wren to draft Braxton Davidson
    So do you not think any changes were made to operus mondi after Hart was hired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    He coudl have advised JS to overrule that signing.
    Maybe he did? Maybe he was never included in those discussions? I know for a fact that you don't know.

    Quite frankly, we have no idea what Hart's capacity was as advisor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So do you not think any changes were made to operus mondi after Hart was hired?
    More likely than not it was negligible. He was still working most of his time at MLB Network. I doubt he spent his little time with the Braves overhauling their scouting philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So do you not think any changes were made to operus mondi after Hart was hired?
    I think he had a minor advisory role. And doubt he played a significant role in last years draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So do you not think any changes were made to operus mondi after Hart was hired?
    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's "modus operandi" (hence people saying the MO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    Then let him go to college. Can't blame a guy for doing what he thinks is best for himself. But over drafting and overpaying is a recipe for failure.
    But this has nothing to do with your original claim that we could have had Riley much later and for far less. We clearly wanted Riley, so we did what it took to get him.

    If Riley turns out well, then you will be wrong.

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    *Anthony Guardado sign an under slot deal wow! I'm shocked I thought he was gonna be a tough sign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    But this has nothing to do with your original claim that we could have had Riley much later and for far less. We clearly wanted Riley, so we did what it took to get him.

    If Riley turns out well, then you will be wrong.
    Huh? It has everything to do with my original claim. Yes we wanted Riley, but way too soon. Wait until later rounds to pick him, and if he was then gone at that time, so be it, we drafted several better guys ahead of him. And sure Riley might turn out great, I hope he does, but that doesn't change the fact that most likely we could have still gotten him a good bit later in the draft, but the guys we could have drafted instead, most likely would not have fallen to a lower pick.

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    With all sectors reporting in, the Braves apparently have 27 or 28 signed, depending on how to view the Allard commitment. Supposedly, Sorotka has also signed or promised to do so, but have yet to see confirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    Huh? It has everything to do with my original claim. Yes we wanted Riley, but way too soon. Wait until later rounds to pick him, and if he was then gone at that time, so be it, we drafted several better guys ahead of him. And sure Riley might turn out great, I hope he does, but that doesn't change the fact that most likely we could have still gotten him a good bit later in the draft, but the guys we could have drafted instead, most likely would not have fallen to a lower pick.
    I think the strategy early is to take guys you want and will sign at roughly their slot value. If they take him later and he still won't sign for less than his asking price, you have to draft and sign a bunch of guys taken earlier for way below slot value to have the resources to divert to someone like Riley. They made the determination that they wanted him and had discerned what it would take to sign him and tried to match him to slot. Under the old system, it was a lot easier to do what you suggest.

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    Interesting article that briefly mentions Gilbert Suarez, our 18th round pick.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13...certain-future

    The guy the article focused on was taken by the Marlins in the 24th round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I think the strategy early is to take guys you want and will sign at roughly their slot value. If they take him later and he still won't sign for less than his asking price, you have to draft and sign a bunch of guys taken earlier for way below slot value to have the resources to divert to someone like Riley. They made the determination that they wanted him and had discerned what it would take to sign him and tried to match him to slot. Under the old system, it was a lot easier to do what you suggest.
    50 this does make sense. I guess this new slot system has totally changed the strategy landscape of the draft.

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    BA and MLB.com confirmed signings with bonuses as of this morning...

    Austin Riley - $1,600,000
    Lucas Herbert - $1,125,200
    A. J. Minter - $814,300
    Anthony Guardado - $550,000
    Josh Graham - $500,200
    Ryan Clark - $352,100
    Matt Withrow - $263,700
    Patrick Weigel $ 197,500
    Ryan Lawlor - $171,500
    Stephen Moore - $5,000

    Round 11 And Higher

    Grayson Jones - $150,000
    Justin Ellison - $110,000
    Chase Johnson-Mullins -$125,000
    Trey Keegan -
    Brad Keller -
    Trevor Belicek -
    Evan Phillips -
    Sean McLaughlin -
    Jarret Hellinger -
    Kurt Hoekstra -
    Dalton Geekie -
    Jacob Lanning -
    Jonathon Morales -
    Ben Libuda -
    Robbie Nesovic -
    Collin Yelich -

    That's $5,433,200 of our $10,684,100 (50.8531% of our projected cap), leaving $5,250,900 for everyone not listed above. Any amount in excess of $100,000 given to players selected after Round 10 counts the overage amount against that cap. For example, Grayson Jones, Justin Ellison, and Chase Johnson-Mullins accounted for $85,000 of that figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's "modus operandi" (hence people saying the MO)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I think the strategy early is to take guys you want and will sign at roughly their slot value. If they take him later and he still won't sign for less than his asking price, you have to draft and sign a bunch of guys taken earlier for way below slot value to have the resources to divert to someone like Riley. They made the determination that they wanted him and had discerned what it would take to sign him and tried to match him to slot. Under the old system, it was a lot easier to do what you suggest.
    Exactly this. If you take guys at 41 and 54 that are around slot value, then you lose your chance to go over slot later with Riley.

    The FO made a determination that they really wanted Riley, so they did what they had to do to get him. You may disagree with their evaluation of Riley, but that will be determined later. If they wanted Riley, they had to take him about where they did.

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