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Thread: Kimbrel trade was as bad as any the Braves have ever made

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Ask the Yankees and Padres
    Either of them mid market teams trying to shed salary?
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    Not even close to worst. All arguments begin and end with Len Barker.

    Let's also not revise history. Most of you clowns wanted Bossman Jr. gone at almost any cost. Nobody was going to take him without a sweetener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Either of them mid market teams trying to shed salary?
    Shedding the salary was the worst part of the deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Shedding the salary was the worst part of the deal
    Oh, ok. Still so far from the worst trade they have ever made.
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    You have to take a couple of things in to account with this trade. We finalized the Cahill deal around the same time that netted us the #75 pick Minter, and we made the trade for Arroyo/Touki a couple of months later that is about the same amount of money we saved from taking on Quentin/Maybin as opposed to Upton/Kimbrel for 2015 payroll. If we put a 6.5M value on the #75 pick, we put a large value on the #41 pick.

    One could argue we were taking on the 6.5M with Cahill regardless to get Minter, but the Arroyo trade was for sure made using the savings of 9-10M.

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    The Kimbrel trade has turned out awful, not surprising since Kimbrel is a special talent (closers like him don't come along often), but the Simmons trade has been even worse as Simmons is now hitting to go along with his amazing defense (and if he is hitting like he is now he can lose some defense and still be very special talent overall). Also, Alex Wood has turned into the pitcher I said he could be. His only loss this year to his old team in fact (amazing season). These three trades and the fact that our current GM also was willing to trade Albies as a headliner for Quintana before the Cubs got him tell me we have a bad GM or bad good old boys club that has really held us back from what we could be now. Thank God for Acuna and Albies though, due largely to them, we could contend as soon as next year if we are not stupid again and trade off the wrong players.

    That said, Markakis and Kemp need to go as neither can provide enough on defense nor hit enough to make up for it. Matt Adams is much better in left than Kemp, we'd be better off platooning him out there than going with Kemp next year. Plus we need to make room for Acuna sooner than expected most likely too.

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    I think it's entirely fair to say that in hindsight, several of our trades look considerably worse, and I think you can make the argument that in our trades overall, we have not come out ahead, though the Miller trade helps a lot and at the time I think most liked the majority of them.

    I think it's also fair to say that our drafting has gone well and in hindsight looks even better. So you hope those at least even out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    I think it's entirely fair to say that in hindsight, several of our trades look considerably worse, and I think you can make the argument that in our trades overall, we have not come out ahead, though the Miller trade helps a lot and at the time I think most liked the majority of them.

    I think it's also fair to say that our drafting has gone well and in hindsight looks even better. So you hope those at least even out.
    The Miller one was great, the HO one was horrible. Most of the others are in between on some level of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    The Miller one was great, the HO one was horrible. Most of the others are in between on some level of the spectrum.
    Which about the way it works out for most major league teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    The Miller one was great, the HO one was horrible. Most of the others are in between on some level of the spectrum.
    Kimbrel and Simmons both horrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Which about the way it works out for most major league teams.
    yup.

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