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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    That was before the modern baseball management structure. In the last 10-15 years the advent of the President of Baseball Operations role has changed how organizations are ran. These young men from Ivy league schools graduate from superior management programs and know that a division of labor and building centers of excellent in business segments is essential to optimal performance. Amateur scouting is a material segment for a baseball organization and warrants having direct leadership answerable to the president of baseball operations.
    Except the Braves don’t have one of those. Anthopoulos is the top baseball operations decision-maker for the Braves, and his title is Executive Vice President, General Manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Except the Braves don’t have one of those. Anthopoulos is the top baseball operations decision-maker for the Braves, and his title is Executive Vice President, General Manager.
    Agreed - But the title existed when Coppy was here as he was more 'green'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed - But the title existed when Coppy was here as he was more 'green'.
    coppy did have a strange tint
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    coppy did have a strange tint
    He was a savant. A man truly before his time. Playing chess while others played checkers. I could go on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Doesn't make sense but Kiley would obviously have much more knowledge about that topic to me. Sounds like a huge inefficiency.
    So in other words...

    You were wrong...

    Again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed - But the title existed when Coppy was here as he was more 'green'.
    Just stop, you are past the point of embarrassing yourself now.

    Grab the pompoms and get ready to cheer for DK. Leave the real talk to the adults...please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    He was a savant. A man truly before his time. Playing chess while others played checkers. I could go on...
    some of you may enjoy this clip of coppy in action

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    Even if the GM wasn’t sitting there making every selection, he still decided which analytics to use, how heavily to weight them, how to assess risk based on age and position and medical history, how much to weight scouting, which tools to scout, how to scout them, who scouts them, etc, etc.

    The GM doesn’t scout those tools, or gather the metrics, but he decides how they are applied to the decision making process.

    It is absurd not to give credit for draft results, good or bad, to the GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't have the direct visibility into a major league organization but with the demand that is on the major league side of the teams now I would be very surprised if the GM is involved at all. I mean really, what can they provide? They can read the scouting reports and say 'yay' or 'nay'? What added value is that? It just doesn't make any sense.
    Well then I really question your " visibility into the executive structure of large organizations." Executives in a corporation may not do the grunt work involved in gathering information for big projects, but they ultimately make the final decision on which project to pursue, based off a number of different factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Doesn't make sense but Kiley would obviously have much more knowledge about that topic to me. Sounds like a huge inefficiency.
    What exactly do you think a GM does that is so time consuming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Well then I really question your " visibility into the executive structure of large organizations." Executives in a corporation may not do the grunt work involved in gathering information for big projects, but they ultimately make the final decision on which project to pursue, based off a number of different factors.
    No - The CFO makes decisions related to the finance function. The CAO makes decisions related to the accounting function. The CTO makes decisions related to the technoclogy function.

    I could go on but that is how the work is delineated. They all report up to the CEO and the CEO makes the final decision. The baseball analogy of that would be the President/VP of baseball operations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    What exactly do you think a GM does that is so time consuming?
    Trade discussions
    Analysis of major league talent across the league
    3-5 year out projections of salary and player needs for the major league roster
    Roster manipulation leveraging the AAA affiliate
    Meetings with the coaching team to discuss team strategy
    Build out of depth charts for all teams to identify strength and weaknesses that can be used to construct trades
    Setting the tone for the analysis team for what type of metrics are essential and how often it needs to be provided and what form

    Those are just a handful of thing that come to mind now but if I thought longer about it I could probably come up with 50 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    No - The CFO makes decisions related to the finance function. The CAO makes decisions related to the accounting function. The CTO makes decisions related to the technoclogy function.

    I could go on but that is how the work is delineated. They all report up to the CEO and the CEO makes the final decision. The baseball analogy of that would be the President/VP of baseball operations.
    You’re intent to die on this hill I see haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Trade discussions
    Analysis of major league talent across the league
    3-5 year out projections of salary and player needs for the major league roster
    Roster manipulation leveraging the AAA affiliate
    Meetings with the coaching team to discuss team strategy
    Build out of depth charts for all teams to identify strength and weaknesses that can be used to construct trades
    Setting the tone for the analysis team for what type of metrics are essential and how often it needs to be provided and what form

    Those are just a handful of thing that come to mind now but if I thought longer about it I could probably come up with 50 more.
    LOL everything you listed could be handled by someone other than the GM. Odd the place you chose to draw the line of “not the GMs job” lol.

    Here is one more of that 50...

    Plan a draft

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Please, provide evidence to support your position.
    Dude he clearly point blank told you

    It is absolutely baffling that you don’t think the GM has anything to do with the draft. That is ridiculous

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    Not sure how this thread devolved into what a GM's role is, but will point out that this is the first year of no waiver trade deadline. So July 31 is the last day for trades period. Going to be even more nuts this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Trade discussions
    Analysis of major league talent across the league
    3-5 year out projections of salary and player needs for the major league roster
    Roster manipulation leveraging the AAA affiliate
    Meetings with the coaching team to discuss team strategy
    Build out of depth charts for all teams to identify strength and weaknesses that can be used to construct trades
    Setting the tone for the analysis team for what type of metrics are essential and how often it needs to be provided and what form

    Those are just a handful of thing that come to mind now but if I thought longer about it I could probably come up with 50 more.
    Half of those are probably done by analysts. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    No - The CFO makes decisions related to the finance function. The CAO makes decisions related to the accounting function. The CTO makes decisions related to the technoclogy function.

    I could go on but that is how the work is delineated. They all report up to the CEO and the CEO makes the final decision. The baseball analogy of that would be the President/VP of baseball operations.
    Give me a break. That literally has zero to do with what I said. The grunt work in decision making is largely done by lower level employees. But execs get paid the big bucks to review that information and make the best decision based on that info. The CFO, CAO, etc is irrelevant to the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Give me a break. That literally has zero to do with what I said. The grunt work in decision making is largely done by lower level employees. But execs get paid the big bucks to review that information and make the best decision based on that info. The CFO, CAO, etc is irrelevant to the discussion.
    It is not irrelevant.

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