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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Didn't realize MLK overthrew tyrannical govt. Still wondering what this even has to do with the original topic of the thread.
    but

    this line of questions has nothing to do with the actual topic

    i was answering yours and the person that thinks the 1700's was perfect question

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    I am curious to know who and where there is a policy on the table to ban all guns?

    Unless you can produce such a proposal that has a punchers chance in hell of becoming a law
    quit mischaractorizing the stance of people that see a need to have weapons regulated.

    It further proves you are regurgitating the rhetoric of Pro-Gun Lobbyists.
    thank you/


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    just to be clear
    People of color and the majority of US citizens pre - Civil Rights Movement viewed the state governments of the Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia,Tennessee, S Carolina and the rest of the Rebel States as tyrannical.
    So it really isn't too much of a stretch to say MLK non violently overthrew a tyrannical government . He probably went a little further than that. He overthrew a way of life.
    Non violently

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    you can ban guns all you want, but it won't change a thing.

    but criminals who want to use them will get them regardless....even this nutcase could get a weapon if he really wanted to do this.

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    NO ONE IS SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT BANNING ALL GUNS


    It further proves you are regurgitating the rhetoric of Pro-Gun Lobbyist

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    NO ONE IS SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT BANNING ALL GUNS


    It further proves you are regurgitating the rhetoric of Pro-Gun Lobbyist
    Screaming like a little girl is going to get you no where.

    Where did I say, to quote you..with screaming and bold "NO ONE IS SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT BANNING ALL GUNS"?

    I didn't. So go somewhere else with your screaming.

    I said, since you lack reading comprehension, <paraphrasing> that banning any weapon: guns, knives, bare knuckles, even a brick, is not going to deter any criminal or those with criminal intent from obtaining said weapons.

    You do know there is a difference between ANY and ALL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    Screaming like a little girl is going to get you no where.

    Where did I say, to quote you..with screaming and bold "NO ONE IS SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT BANNING ALL GUNS"?

    I didn't. So go somewhere else with your screaming.

    I said, since you lack reading comprehension, <paraphrasing> that banning any weapon: guns, knives, bare knuckles, even a brick, is not going to deter any criminal or those with criminal intent from obtaining said weapons.

    You do know there is a difference between ANY and ALL?
    Gosh, why bother making anything illegal, if people are just going to do it anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Gosh, why bother making anything illegal, if people are just going to do it anyway?
    That sums it up.

    We can ban everything that contributes violence in this world but those with criminal intent will still be a criminal and do the dirty deed. It MIGHT make it a bit harder, but inevitably it will end up with the same results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Gosh, why bother making anything illegal, if people are just going to do it anyway?
    We've learned time and time again that's the case. Legislation isn't going to change our culture or change people's hearts (or a lack of one).

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    obviously anarchy is the only way to go then

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    obviously anarchy is the only way to go then
    It's already here I'm afraid.


    Most of the violent crimes are 2nd time felons who for the most part can't obtain any weapons (a law, aka ban), so that banned weapon they procured must have come from somewhere.

    Criminals will be criminals and if anything is banned it hurts the non-criminals more and won't be able to defend themselves, George Zimmerman notwithstanding.

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    Or you approach it from a different angle. Banning alcohol didn't work, just like banning guns won't work, but it's still illegal to drink and drive. Go after those who use guns irresponsibly without trampling on the rights of the 99%+ (or whatever the number is) that are responsible owners/users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Or you approach it from a different angle. Banning alcohol didn't work, just like banning guns won't work, but it's still illegal to drink and drive. Go after those who use guns irresponsibly without trampling on the rights of the 99%+ (or whatever the number is) that are responsible owners/users.
    I support that idea, but I'd posit that any attempt to do so would be energetically opposed as a gun grab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    you can ban guns all you want, but it won't change a thing.

    but criminals who want to use them will get them regardless....even this nutcase could get a weapon if he really wanted to do this.
    no one is seriously talking about banning all or any guns.
    There, is that better


    How can we have a discussion on how to stymy gun violence and mass shootings when half of the participants of the dialogue are dealing in untruths?
    Last edited by 57Brave; 09-19-2013 at 02:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Or you approach it from a different angle. Banning alcohol didn't work, just like banning guns won't work, but it's still illegal to drink and drive. Go after those who use guns irresponsibly without trampling on the rights of the 99%+ (or whatever the number is) that are responsible owners/users.
    Isn't part of going after those that can be predicted to abuse a firearm -- identification?
    How other than background checks would you identify an Alexis or even a George Zimmerman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    We've learned time and time again that's the case. Legislation isn't going to change our culture or change people's hearts (or a lack of one).

    See
    cigarette smoking
    seat belt laws
    safety lids on over the counter medicines
    food inspections
    traffic lights

    need to go on? Government (We the People) making laws is how we keep order in a society.
    What are your proposals for keeping order. Scolding everyone to be more responsible .

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    Mostly, those you mention, when violated, don't have the intent of harming someone like a crazy person with a gun does.

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    Background checks should be able to have worthy merit, but like with anything else, there will need to be some discussion of what goes into those. Just banning the manufacturing or selling of certain fire arms to put on a political pose isn't solving anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Background checks should be able to have worthy merit, but like with anything else, there will need to be some discussion of what goes into those. Just banning the manufacturing or selling of certain fire arms to put on a political pose isn't solving anything.



    Where is there a formal proposal to "Just banning the manufacturing or selling of certain fire arms"

    I've been asking all day, called a little girl ,suggested I was illiterate and scolded by a former mod but still have not seen what it is y'all are talking about

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    The question is frequently asked "Why does a person need to own this type of gun?" Then, there's that absurd graphic earlier in the thread. Dianne Feinstein, specifically, has actively tried to ban, yes, ban, some of these weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Mostly, those you mention, when violated, don't have the intent of harming someone like a crazy person with a gun does.
    The laws I sited were designed to change peoples habits and change a culture of harm associated with them. All are rousing success

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