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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I guess I missed the part where it was concluded that the Trump campaign was connected to Russia. But go on.

    Surveillance on the opposing partys candidate by the sitting president would be one of the worst abuses of power in the history of this country.
    If it's incidental collection when he wasn't the target that would be fine. Also if it were done via warrant that would be ok. I do feel though that if it were part of an investigation of something like hacking by the Russia government it would absolutely be legitimate. The only way it would be wrong would be if it were simply a fishing expedition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Surveillance on the opposing partys candidate by the sitting president would be one of the worst abuses of power in the history of this country.
    LMAO. Except you know, when a president actually did that highly illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Wrong election. Reagan/Mondale was 1984. Reagan/Carter was the supposed October surprise in 1980.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    My guess is that they were conducting surveillance on Manafort probably prior to him becoming Trump's campaign manager and that stumbled into the Trump camp. I frankly don't think there's much on either side here. Russia interfered in, but didn't swing, the election. The FBI followed Manafort (which may have led them in other directions beyond Manafort), but I'm not seeing the conspiracies either side seems to be seeing.

    About where I am on all this as well. But let's keep the conspiracies going, folk have to have something to meme about and have "breaking news" stories to share and whatnot... I mean, after all, that dang giraffe won't give birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Wrong election. Reagan/Mondale was 1984. Reagan/Carter was the supposed October surprise in 1980.

    well it doesn't make sense to shine about a presidents 're election. If Trump wins again they can't really blame Russia this time around. Democrats were up in arms after 2000 but couldn't say **** after 2004.


    I don't really think our elections are legitimate so long as the primaries are not legally required to be fair to all candidates.
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    “What was produced by the intelligence community at the request of Ms. Rice were detailed spreadsheets of intercepted phone calls with unmasked Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals,” diGenova told The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group Monday.

    “The overheard conversations involved no illegal activity by anybody of the Trump associates, or anyone they were speaking with,” diGenova said. “In short, the only apparent illegal activity was the unmasking of the people in the calls.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/su...#ixzz4dHP0ZVul

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    “What was produced by the intelligence community at the request of Ms. Rice were detailed spreadsheets of intercepted phone calls with unmasked Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals,” diGenova told The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group Monday.

    “The overheard conversations involved no illegal activity by anybody of the Trump associates, or anyone they were speaking with,” diGenova said. “In short, the only apparent illegal activity was the unmasking of the people in the calls.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/su...#ixzz4dHP0ZVul
    I’ll try to sort through the substance of all this. But I also want to make a broader argument about how Trump’s support system — inside his government but especially in the conservative media and on Fox, which is where he apparently gets most of his intelligence information — is playing to his worst instincts, harming him politically, and making his presidency even more dangerous.
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    I’d say that if members of the Trump team were in communication with foreign actors who were under surveillance, that damn sure has “foreign intelligence value,” and it’s not too surprising that the national security adviser would want to know about it. We’re talking about associates of a presidential candidate communicating with representatives of a foreign power.
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    Nada Bakos‏Verified account @nadabakos

    Nada Bakos Retweeted Ari Fleischer

    She was the National Security Advisor reading a report of foreign officials discussing US persons coming into WH, this isn't odd or wrong


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    I get it now. Republicans are shocked a National Security Advisor was actually doing her job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    “What was produced by the intelligence community at the request of Ms. Rice were detailed spreadsheets of intercepted phone calls with unmasked Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals,” diGenova told The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group Monday.

    “The overheard conversations involved no illegal activity by anybody of the Trump associates, or anyone they were speaking with,” diGenova said. “In short, the only apparent illegal activity was the unmasking of the people in the calls.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/su...#ixzz4dHP0ZVul
    At what point do you stop to understand how the world actually functioins.
    Susan Rice lasted 4 years as NSA
    Flynn 3 weeks.

    Due in part to information gathered in this intelligence sweep.


    You really should get out more - watch a movie or god forbid, read a book
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    I understand why you'd dismiss this so quickly. Let's wait till all the facts come out. It was only two weeks ago when Susan Rice lied about not knowing anything about the unmasking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I understand why you'd dismiss this so quickly. Let's wait till all the facts come out. It was only two weeks ago when Susan Rice lied about not knowing anything about the unmasking.
    You really think having all the facts and even obama coming out saying 'yes we did everything rumored' would make 57 change his mind? He wouldn't

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    It won't be long now until someone is able to tie all of this to Obama. Then **** is really going to hit the fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It won't be long now until someone is able to tie all of this to Obama. Then **** is really going to hit the fan.
    I don't think it will. Take this board for instance. What lefties or liberals on this board will actually want to hold obama accountable if it all came back on him?


    The media other than fox won't cover it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    I don't think it will. Take this board for instance. What lefties or liberals on this board will actually want to hold obama accountable if it all came back on him?


    The media other than fox won't cover it
    This is certainly true. The media is so in the bag for the left now it's embarassing. They are essentially a foreign actor at this point trying to wield influence.

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    Never said it didnt happen and yes, rRice said it didnt.
    Though I'd guess in her position she would be bound to confidence.

    Looking at the context, I would say she was performing her duty.

    The fact Fox is the only outlet talking about this speaks volumes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    I don't think it will. Take this board for instance. What lefties or liberals on this board will actually want to hold obama accountable if it all came back on him?


    The media other than fox won't cover it
    Wait. So Fox IS a part of the media now? Just making sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Never said it didnt happen and yes, rRice said it didnt.
    Though I'd guess in her position she would be bound to confidence.

    Looking at the context, I would say she was performing her duty.

    The fact Fox is the only outlet talking about this speaks volumes

    It does. They're the only ones who talked about the bathroom rape in a Montgomery high school also. Does speak volumes.

    The fact that more people watch Fox News than ever other news channel put together speaks volumes too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomahawk View Post
    Wait. So Fox IS a part of the media now? Just making sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It won't be long now until someone is able to tie all of this to Obama. Then **** is really going to hit the fan.

    I looked up the word Gullible in the dictionary and it has a picture of Kris Medlen for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Never said it didnt happen and yes, rRice said it didnt.
    Though I'd guess in her position she would be bound to confidence.

    Looking at the context, I would say she was performing her duty.

    The fact Fox is the only outlet talking about this speaks volumes
    Yes, it speaks volumes alright. The problem is, it speaks totally different kinds of volumes. To Dems it says "Fox is nuts anyway so...." to the Repubs it says "Fox always tells us the truth (sort of) so this too much be true". How much do you think actual real evidence means to either party? Whatever comes up it'll get filed into either the "True Dat" file or the "Fake News" file depending on who sees it and without much regard IMO for whether or not it really is the truth.

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