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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Camargo is pretty bad himself
    He's just a kid trying to learn but Santana has no excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Not physically possible
    Yeah - Its really a shame because the guy can really pitch. At this point I feel fine about offering him arby. I'm just not sure we are going to get a prospect that is either worth a first round pick or a potential healthy season from Garcia next year. Of course it could blow up in our face and he can suffer the inevitable injury after the deadline or next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Most of are hitters are not good
    A healthy lineup of...
    Inciarte
    Phillips
    Ff
    KEMvP
    Markakis
    Flowers
    Swanson
    Garcia/Ruiz
    Ph -- Adams

    That lineup isn't bad at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Yeah - Its really a shame because the guy can really pitch. At this point I feel fine about offering him arby. I'm just not sure we are going to get a prospect that is either worth a first round pick or a potential healthy season from Garcia next year. Of course it could blow up in our face and he can suffer the inevitable injury after the deadline or next year.
    No way would I want to offer Garcia ~18 million for one season. Best chances are to package him with other useful parts to a team and get the best prospect possible.

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    So, how much could a Garcia and Adams package potentially land us from the Yankees or astros?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    A healthy lineup of...
    Inciarte
    Phillips
    Ff
    KEMvP
    Markakis
    Flowers
    Swanson
    Garcia/Ruiz
    Ph -- Adams

    That lineup isn't bad at all
    Saying a lineup is not good doesn't mean they are bad. There are in betweens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Most of are hitters are not good
    We've actually had a bunch of players perform well this year (and we still suck)
    Ender
    Phillips
    Adams
    Freeman
    Kemp
    Flowers

    have all been great relative to expectations.

    Markakis has been mar kakis

    Just shows you that:

    1. Power still matters, and we don't have any
    2. Our pitching is baaaaad

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Saying a lineup is not good doesn't mean they are bad. There are in betweens.
    And good is a very subjective term. Is good top 5 in MLB, top 1/2, or what?

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    Never pitch to a miss state bulldog. Tyler has burnt us twice this year now

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    We've actually had a bunch of players perform well this year (and we still suck)
    Ender
    Phillips
    Adams
    Freeman
    Kemp
    Flowers

    have all been great relative to expectations.

    Markakis has been mar kakis

    Just shows you that:

    1. Power still matters, and we don't have any
    2. Our pitching is baaaaad

    I still wouldn't consider Ender and Phillips good hitters. Both have been squarely average this year and there is nothing wrong with that.

    We've had good or better hitting out of LF, C, and 1B this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    And good is a very subjective term. Is good top 5 in MLB, top 1/2, or what?
    I would guess most people would say it's top 3rd. Anything close to 1/2 is usually average especially the difference between those teams is generally very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I still wouldn't consider Ender and Phillips good hitters. Both have been squarely average this year and there is nothing wrong with that.

    We've had good or better hitting out of LF, C, and 1B this year.
    Phillips is 1.1 oWAR on BR

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    .763 OPS from a defense-first CF is pretty good as far as im concerned....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopdrew View Post
    .763 OPS from a defense-first CF is pretty good as far as im concerned....
    1.0 oWAR on BR

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Phillips is 1.1 oWAR on BR
    Yes. That also includes a positional adjustment. His WRC+ is 102. His OPS+ is 101. He's been an average hitter this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    1.0 oWAR on BR
    See above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Yes. That also includes a positional adjustment. His WRC+ is 102. His OPS+ is 101. He's been an average hitter this season.
    So, he's good for his position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopdrew View Post
    .763 OPS from a defense-first CF is pretty good as far as im concerned....
    That makes a pretty damn good player which Ender is. League average OPS for a CF in 2017 is 755. Again he's been an average hitter.

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    Garcia is having a f'n meltdown. His era is up almost a 1/2 run this inning

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I still wouldn't consider Ender and Phillips good hitters. Both have been squarely average this year and there is nothing wrong with that.

    We've had good or better hitting out of LF, C, and 1B this year.
    I'm saying relative to expectations.

    Just shows we have a lot of improvement yet to make

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