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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Didn't say he can't - simply saying that we've got a chance to improve the rotation from within with pieces we already have in Folty and Gausman. We DON'T have those pieces in the pen.
    Our rotation is currently.

    Soroka (will probably need to be skipped a few times to maintain his innings)
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    Fried (on the DL, probably will need to get skipped or moved to the pen)
    Julio is Julio
    Gausman/Folty who knows what you can get from them

    If you can get Stroman, and go in a playoff series with Soroka/DK/Stroman, thats a very solid front 3.

    We without a doubt need another starter more than we need another BP arm, dont think it's particulary close either. Sure the bullpen isnt perfect yes, and we probably need another arm, more likely a solid closer so Luke can move in the 7th-8th inning role. But Webb when healthy, Newk, Minter, Luke, Swarzak, and some others down there, it's not near as bad as it was to start the year. Wiegel/Parsons just got called up as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    “Ender Inciarte possible new face of the Detroit Tigers”

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    With the Braves drafting Shea, just spitballing, and for discussion, i wonder if AA would put Contreras in a trade over the likes of a Waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    With the Braves drafting Shea, just spitballing, and for discussion, i wonder if AA would put Contreras in a trade over the likes of a Waters.
    How much value does Contreras have anymore? He’s taken a huge step back. Struggled in A+ and has been atrocious in AA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    “Ender Inciarte possible new face of the Detroit Tigers”
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    While some of the dumber members of the fan base don’t care about “value charts”, luckily AA does. His strict adherence to seeking value has built a deep roster that has allowed the Braves to win despite getting nothing from Gaus and Folty. Any fan posting negatively about value is at the same level of intellect as the Phillies and Mets FO...so congrats.

    Having said that, if Smith is available the Braves need to put together the winning package of 40s/45s to get him in Atlanta. He is the highest impact BP arm potentially available, and he can be leveraged in the playoffs such that he can be nearly as impactful as any SP.

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    Can I get a listing of which teams heavily use the future values to build their teams. Here I was thinking the Mets and Phillies were two of those teams. Or do we just automatically assume the best teams use FV and the worst teams dont? I thought the Cano deal was all about the future values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Can I get a listing of which teams heavily use the future values to build their teams. Here I was thinking the Mets and Phillies were two of those teams. Or do we just automatically assume the best teams use FV and the worst teams dont? I thought the Cano deal was all about the future values.
    The Cano deal was pretty even in terms of expected surplus value. But the surplus value going to the Mets was frontloaded due to Cano's age and contract. And backloaded for the Mariners due to Kelenic. That's an ex ante take.

    Ex post it's been bad for the Mets due to disappointing seasons by Cano and Diaz.
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    With injury to Dayton and Minter struggling lefty reliever becoming more of a need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    We might have those pieces. I wouldn’t discount what we have already in house. Weigel. Clouse. Webb. All could be diamonds we have been looking for. We have already seen Webb.
    I think they can eventually be good pieces too - however, neither is ready to be trusted to close games in a pennant race or playoff series in 2019.
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    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/...er-giants.html

    Stroman for something centered around 1 of Newk, Fried, Touki, Wilson or Wright makes sense in terms of being realistic.

    Wheeler making 2 starts before the deadline means he could still be the highest impact rental SP.

    It’s going to be a fascinating 10 days.

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    As far as Boyd and the Tigers go, they are proving to be one of the worst run franchises in the modern game.

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/...oyd-talks.html

    They wasted Fulmers trade value by holding him despite clearly not being in contention anytime soon, and they are about to waste their chance to cash in on Boyd too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/...er-giants.html

    Stroman for something centered around 1 of Newk, Fried, Touki, Wilson or Wright makes sense in terms of being realistic.

    Wheeler making 2 starts before the deadline means he could still be the highest impact rental SP.

    It’s going to be a fascinating 10 days.
    Trading newcomb would fill one hole and create another

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Trading newcomb would fill one hole and create another
    True. I dont think Newk would be available in a trade for Stroman. The primary piece in a trade for Stroman would be one of Wright, Wilson, Fried, or Muller.

    I could see Newk being moved as part of a trade for a premium lefty reliever such as Felipe Vazquez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
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    Stroman for something centered around 1 of Newk, Fried, Touki, Wilson or Wright makes sense in terms of being realistic.

    Wheeler making 2 starts before the deadline means he could still be the highest impact rental SP.

    It’s going to be a fascinating 10 days.
    Wheeler should cost the least, Stroman has another year of control left.

    Not sure how deep into the farm AA will go to get a starter or not.

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    DOB says we haven’t talked to Jays about Stroman

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandBrave View Post
    DOB says we haven’t talked to Jays about Stroman
    so we’re deep in talks

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandBrave View Post
    DOB says we haven’t talked to Jays about Stroman
    Given how clueless they are with AA and how quiet things are, we have.

    Braves like their infielders, week later they sign Donaldson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/...er-giants.html

    Stroman for something centered around 1 of Newk, Fried, Touki, Wilson or Wright makes sense in terms of being realistic.

    Wheeler making 2 starts before the deadline means he could still be the highest impact rental SP.

    It’s going to be a fascinating 10 days.
    I wouldn’t trade Fried but anyone else you mentioned would be fine.
    I’d hate to see Newk go since he’s proven to be a useful bullpen piece but Fried is the one I’d feel bad about.
    He’s already a solid number 4 with plenty of team control and Stroman isn’t enough of an upgrade to justify trading them for each other straight up.
    Now if it was a legit 1/2 for Fried then I’d do it in a heartbeat but that won’t happen.I’m lower on Stroman then most but I also realize the YUGE intangibles he brings that cant be fully measured.

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