Ah, personal accountability.
You wear that term like a pair of gym shoes for an hour and a half every other day.
When you are finished you change them to corporate loafers
and when you get home you put on a pair of slippers or worn out gym shoes
That is personal accountability.
Kind of a catch all phrase that means zilch and used depending where you are on a topic.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Personal accountabilty means nothing to people who don't have that as a defining characteristic. Just a choice to view the world and what your role is in that world.
What the literal **** does this mean?Originally Posted by 57Brave
personal accountability is a phrase used when one is expecting another to live up to their personal standards.
My standards are mine and peculiar to me. Same as you
When you and I disagree it is not because you are not being personally accountable it is because we have two different views
I understand how hard it i for low income families to get health insure.
Most can't afford it on account of "personal acountability" but because they have to choose between eating, getting back and forth to work, school cloths and paying outrageous monthly premiums.
The more we discuss health care it becomes startling clear who is raising or has raised families and struggles with the reality of day to day economics.
And the socio economic standing of my fellow Braves fans
Big country and a lot of different stories, huh ?
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
I was raised in a family of one parent. I've lived through the tragedy of losing my mother when I was 8 years old. I'm first generation American and my father had to work 16-18 hour days just to put a roof over mine and my brothers head. Don't lecture me and hinting that only people who haven't had to deal with family/economic struggle preach personal accountabilty. I worked my ass off to get where I am and now I can support my family.
People are where they are for the most part because of choices and until that I'd acknowledged progress will not be made. It's sad but victim hood is embraced in this country.
Sorry you took it as lecturing, just saying we all have different life stories that get us to here. And, each of us interpret personal responsibility differently and wear the term like a pair of shoes. Depending on the situation.
Myself included
It all comes down two opinions:
1. You believe that people should be forced to pick up the slack for others.
2. I don't.
My opinion is derived that I believe in individual liberty and you think we have a responsibility to take care of others.
It's a philosophical difference. I obviously think mine is correct because mine is consistent across everything... where you pick and choose where you want to protect liberty.
Now - feel free to make your post saying "ah, liberty"
one is mutually exclusive of the other ?
" My opinion is derived that I believe in individual liberty and you think we have a responsibility to take care of others. "
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-12-2017 at 05:11 PM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
They are exclusive if you force someone to take responsibility.
This isn't complicated
You do have the option (liberty ?? )of opting out of the system . But, moving forward, that is beside the point.
ACA in some form is here to stay -- how would you structure to avoid the "78%" issue ?
I would favor a Medicare for all and eliminate the insurance industry all together -not happening. That being my position I have to compromise .
What about you, what are you willing to compromise?
For the record and this might be a conversation for another place and another time but I am more so everyday uber in favor of peacetime mandatory service.
Be it military , medical or manual.
I was so against the draft but my version of Making America Great involves us getting to know each other again.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Right... so you don't believe in individual liberty... I already established that several posts up
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
You are so generous with other people's money.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
Not so sure how one "believes" in individual liberty. Or Personal REsponsibility for that matter
I can see how one would ascribe- but believe ...
How's about using another bumper sticker ?
Personally I like
" My Karma ran over my dogma"
Now there is something you can sink your teeth into
Because you know neither worn out right wing trope or cliche if you like individual liberty or personal responsibility will pay for a years worth of chemo for a stricken child.
And no matter how much you lecture parents making 60 to 100K a year once they are tapped out, worn out and distraught from said illness/ treatment, it still won't pay for the child's possible cure.
I sincerely hope no one here has to learn this first hand
I had a condition a few years back that required mild chemo treatment. For my check ups I had to walk past the childrens wing of a well know hospital . It is a fact neither personal responsibility or individual liberty were going to treat those kids.
However, having to worry wjether you can pay for the childs treatment is one burden no parent should have to endure
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Maybe we talk about Opiod Addiction treatment or mental health treatment some time
Again, I hope no one here has to face the reality of debilitating illness.
Because frankly I don't think many of you know what you are talking about
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-13-2017 at 08:07 AM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
goldfly (03-13-2017)
Considering all of my grandparents are dead, and my dad spent nearly a year in the hospital after a fight with cancer, I have some idea of family illness.
Anyways - I don't understand why you keep arguing. You are very clear that you think people should be forced - with no choice of their own - to provide for others.
That's not a controversial opinion by the way. It's just one I don't agree with. I side with individual liberty in every circumstance. I don't pick and choose
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
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